RE: [atlarge-discuss] An opportunity to help

[Joanna Lane <jo-uk@rcn.com>]

I think this is exactly how the At Large should be spending our time and
energy, then there would be some motivation to stay involved, and the At
Large would have members lining up in their thousands with cash at the
ready. Mr. Bode is not alone. I am currently dealing with a similar problem
and it's a nightmare, only my ISP didn't even have the courtesy to inform me
they were folding.

In my case, I registered my first .com through a UK ISP who handled all the
registration details and put themselves in as admin contact, and my UK Sole
Trading name as Registrant, but they did not add any email contact for my
company, only a mailing address. A year or so later, I received an invoice
for web hosting services I had not ordered from an ISP I did not recognize.
The return address was a PO BOX number in London. Checking the WHOIS, I
discovered the original ISP had evaporated without informing me and the new
ISP had appeared as the Admin contact. I contacted this new ISP by email at
the address published in the Whois, that corresponded with the one on their
printed stationery. No response, although the messages did not bounce. I
then attempted to phone. It was a London number, but answered by a recorded
message that was in a Scandinavian language that I did not understand. Time
passed. I decided to instigate a transfer request through Dotster to see
what would happen. The transfer was denied on the basis of a non-functioning
Admin email address. I was told to contact NSI direct, but in the
intervening period (several years), I had moved to the USA and started a new
company, no was longer using the trading name published in Whois. The
registration is paid to 2004, but I am not getting the benefit of it.

Anyone else? We could start resolving these issues by forming a committee to
lobby the Registries on a case by case basis. Only non-verified Registrants
need apply.

Joanna








> -----Original Message-----
> From: Micheal Sherrill [mailto:micheal@beethoven.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:20 AM
> To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] An opportunity to help
>
>
> Hello Danny:
>
> What an opportunity!  But, what do we do as a force if we cannot
> even get through authentication.  Not to be facetious, yet, we
> have come a long ways since 2/02.  Unfortunately, we are not yet
> ready for such a task.  Hopefully, we will soon rise to the challenge.
>
> Let us use this example to energize our commitment.  We need to
> get organized!
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Micheal Sherrill
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: DannyYounger@cs.com
> Date:  Wed, 4 Jun 2003 00:19:52 EDT
>
> On May 23, a Mr. Al Bode wrote a letter and posted it to the ALAC
> forum --
> http://forum.icann.org/alac-forum/domain/msg00000.html
>
> No one on the ALAC has even noticed this letter.  Mr. Bode's
> problem deals
> with hosting companies that list themselves as the
> registrant/administrative
> contact when registering domain names for clients of their
> hosting services.
> When these Hosting/ISP entities go bankrupt, it poses a problem for those
> individuals that paid for rights to the domains but now are faced
> with a registrar
> that won't respond to their needs (as registrars will cite ICANN
> rules that
> disallow namespace changes if such modifications are not
> authorized by the
> registrant and/or administrative contact).
>
> This particular practice is common in the hosting community
> worldwide, and
> affects a substantial number of registrants (many of whom aren't
> educated with
> regard to the finer points of DNS registration services) as a
> fair number of
> ISPs go out of business on a regular basis.
>
> If the ALAC won't communicate with Mr. Bode, perhaps the members of
> icannatlarge can act to help solve this vexing problem by
> bringing the issue to the
> attention of the ICANN Board.  What is probably called for is the
> development of
> a set of "Best Practices for ISPs" that has the blessing of ICANN's ISP
> Constituency.  It might also be wise for ICANN to survey the ISP
> Community to
> determine the magnitude of the problem (most especially in the
> developing world).
>
> Here is an opportunity to help.  How will this organization act
> to address
> this challenge?
>
>
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