Re: [atlarge-discuss] [Fwd: Re: [Panel] Proposal for agenda]

["Ron Sherwood" <sherwood@islands.vi>]

Good evening, Sotiris:

You wrote:
> The current Panel members are discussing implementing a rotating chair
> which is quite possibly an excellent idea.  I think this model should be
> emulated by all the committees that we form.  This way, participation
> means just that!  What do you think of a rotating chair model for the
> verification committee, are you willing to consider it?

If I were a member of the Panel, I would not object to a rotating chair if
that were the will of the majority.  I does have the benefit of exposing
each Panel member's skills in that area, it also avoids the nasty process of
having to oust a bad chairperson by majority vote.  On the other hand, if
the term is short it leaves little opportunity for a good chairperson to
achieve very much and, for that reason I much prefer  the system whereby the
Panel appoints the chairperson that they collectively think will serve the
Panel and membership best in that office.  If acceptance of the
chairpersonship is coincidental with a resignation of the post that may be
accepted by a 2/3 or greater majority of the Panel, then there is never a
battle to remove an inadequate Chair.

As for the chairpersonship of the Membership (Verification and Privacy)
Committee.  The same principles apply.  If the majority wants a rotating
chairperson, so be it, but I would prefer the alternative option above.

I agree with you that those Membership Committee applicants who have been
verified by 00:00am on Sunday should form the committee.

I am concerned about elected Panel members who have not responded to the
call for identification, verification and an introductory post to the
membership discuss list. It is my strong opinion that if any of those so
elected do not comply with these three conditions by 00:00am Sunday, they
have disqualified themselves from the right to office and should be replaced
by those who gained the next highest number of votes, and who have fulfilled
those conditions.

Ron Sherwood

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
To: "Ron Sherwood" <sherwood@islands.vi>
Cc: "At Large Discuss" <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] [Fwd: Re: [Panel] Proposal for agenda]


> First off, I want to thank Ron for this email.
>
> Ron Sherwood wrote:
>
> >Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I have a real problem with this motion. 1) I do not think it's necessary
> >>to appoint a chair of the verification committee, it can rotate just as
> >>on the panel. 2) I don't think it's the membership's wish that the Panel
> >>appoint any Chairs of any committees 3) the verification of the panel
> >>Members must take place by the Provisional Membership Committee now
> >>forming before ANY of the mothions can be voted upon.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Good evening, Sotiris:
> >
> >May I address your numbered points above.
> >
> >1) It is my experience that any committee should have a chairperson.
Someone
> >to keep discussion on topic, maintain order, keep member tasks to a time
> >line and to report on behalf of the committee.  It is a simple, proven,
> >efficient method of keeping things on track and on time.  The Chairperson
is
> >also the contact person for anyone wishing to interact with the
committee.
> >The committee should choose its own chairperson.
> >
>
> The current Panel members are discussing implementing a rotating chair
> which is quite possibly an excellent idea.  I think this model should be
> emulated by all the committees that we form.  This way, participation
> means just that!  What do you think of a rotating chair model for the
> verification committee, are you willing to consider it?
>
> >
> >2) I agree. I do not think it is the membership wish that the Panel
appoints
> >any committee chairs.  In this case, your point would be valid only if
every
> >member of the committee, was a member of the Panel.  That should not be
the
> >case, and the committee should choose its own chairperson.  Any committee
> >member may propose such a person and the committee will vote on the
issue.
> >
>
> As above, I'd like to know how you feel about a rotating chair?
>
> >
> >3) I agree that all Panel members should be verified by a membership
> >committee that consists of verified members, but I don't why the
unverified
> >"applicants" for a place on your committee, MUST be a part of the Panel
> >verification process.
> >
> >Sotiris: What is wrong with the verified persons on your Provisional
> >Membership Committee list working together now to complete the
verification
> >of the Panel.
> >
>
> Nothing is wrong with it, except that there may be others out there who
> may still want to join and we ought to give them a reasonable time
> window to do so.  Your own experience as a latecomer to the election is
> a good case in point. But, if nobody else has presented themselves by
> the 7th, I see no reason why the verified members of the committee
> cannot proceed to coordinate their efforts to verify the panel members.
>
> > As soon as that is completed. The committee can then move on
> >to other work as determined by the Panel. If the Panel feels that the
> >committee is not doing its job competently, or if by some weird chance
they
> >felt that a membership verification and privacy committee is no longer
> >needed, they could propose to the membership that it be changed,
replaced,
> >or disbanded.
> >
>
> No argument from me, if it's a verified membership that ultimately
> decides.  ;-)
>
> >
> >Since Joey Borda is not a Panel member, I would certainly support him as
> >chairman of the committee.
> >
>
> I wuld rather see a rotating chair which would facilitate a more active
> and overall productive committee.  But, if I had to choose one of the
> members, it would not be Joe Bordo, as I believe his verification
> standards are not adequately stringent (and that's my opinion and iam
> entitled to it).  Instead, I would support Micheal Sherrill as the
> Chair, if we didn't go with a rotation model.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> --Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>
>


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