RE: [atlarge-discuss] How are Committee Chairs (or members) to be appointed?

["Abel Wisman" <abel@able-towers.com>]

With all due respect, 

Do you seriously think that without any authority form the entire
membership you can decide on who takes a seat on the panel or not, just
days after a verified result of en election is posted ???

Or are you proposing to bring forward votes of no-confidence one the
outcome does not suit?

I do sincerely think that a committee for verification should at least
be subject to more scrutiny and work under the support of the entire
membership and certainly not overlook the work already done on that
topic.

As it stands at the moment this is just a solo-action with all power in
the hands of one individual who decides what when and where, which to me
is not acceptablei can easily use my pay-pal or no-chex account to use
his methods but I also think that most certainly paypal is not a
legitimate veridication method and seeing as I have had to deal with
many a fraud on there, I am sure that I am not the only one in this
world. No-chex on the other hand offers little more security but is only
accessible for UK people.

Overthrowing a vote takes more I think then just the simple statement,
and in general I think a friendly persuasion would get you more then the
current barking.

Regards

Abel


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Sherwood [mailto:sherwood@islands.vi] 
> Sent: 06 June 2003 01:06
> To: Richard Henderson; abel@able-towers.com; 'Atlarge Discuss List'
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] How are Committee Chairs (or 
> members) to be appointed?
> 
> 
> Dear Richard, and all who are interested in the group now 
> known as the Provisional Membership Committee:
> 
> It is my understanding that those members who applied to join 
> the Provisional Membership Committee, by responding to 
> Sotiris' call for such volunteers, would be in place by 
> 00:00Zulu on Saturday morning.  At that time the committee 
> should select a chairperson and immediately undertake the 
> task of verifying every elected panelist.  They should do 
> this by satisfying themselves that the Panelist meets, or has 
> met, the three criteria required before the Panel may be seated.
> 
> 1) verification that the person exists and is who they 
> represent themselves to be.
> 2) verification that the person is willing to serve.
> 3) verification that the person has presented his / her 
> credentials to the membership and posted an introduction on 
> the discuss list.
> 
> They may use any means at their disposal to do this work, 
> including, but not limited to, Joey Borda's previous 
> verification methods, Sotiris Sotiropoulos verification 
> methods, personal verification by other verified members, 
> etc. They will present their findings to the membership by 
> posting to discuss list (and other official sites).
> 
> If, by 00:00Zulu on Sunday morning, one week from the close 
> of the election, any elected Panelists have not met these 
> three requirements, they will automatically disqualify themselves.
> 
> At that point, if there are less than 11 Panelists verified, 
> the number will be made up by the next highest vote-getters 
> who do meet these three criteria.
> 
> When 11 Panelist have been verified according to the above 
> requirements. The Panel will be seated and take office.
> 
> At that time the Provisional Membership Committee will have 
> completed its task and the Panel is free to determine its 
> future. The Panel may choose to ratify the committee as the 
> Membership Committee and task it with committee member 
> verification, membership verification, the formulation of 
> privacy policy, or any other similar membership related task. 
>  It may place a time limit on the committee, or it may 
> disband the committee altogether or poll the membership on 
> the options.
> 
> I repeat, this is my understanding of what is expected of 
> this group of volunteers.
> 
> Ron Sherwood
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>
> To: <abel@able-towers.com>; "'Atlarge Discuss List'" 
> <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:53 PM
> Subject: [atlarge-discuss] How are Committee Chairs (or 
> members) to be appointed?
> 
> 
> > Abel wrote:
> >
> > >Motion to instigate a verification committee:
> > >
> > >Upon acceptance of this motion the panel proposes:
> > >
> > >to propose to the membership to request Joey Borda to chair a 
> > >committee for the time of 6 months, consisting of at least 
> 5 but no 
> > >more then 7 members
> > >
> > >snip
> > >
> > >Motion was tabled by Abel and seconded by Hugh
> >
> > A little definition needed here... Are you saying that the 
> Panel will 
> > propose *ONE* recommended individual as Chair of the committee?
> >
> > And the membership are to "request" Joey (or whoever) chairs the 
> > committee... By what process is the Membership to *request* this?
> >
> > Will there be a Membership-wide e-mail vote (as for panel members)? 
> > Will
> the
> > vote be via the Polling Booth? Will the vote simply be a 
> straw poll on
> this
> > mailing list?
> >
> > And if Members are to vote on this, what process will exist 
> to propose 
> > alternative 'candidates'?
> >
> > I'm asking these questions, not out of negativity, but 
> because we need 
> > to define *clear processes* before the Panel can go ahead with this 
> > Motion. I mean : you can't vote in an informed way unless you first 
> > define how the process will take place.
> >
> > And I suggest that the definition of process is important, not only 
> > with reference to this single committee, but because we need to 
> > establish procedure for the establishment of *all* committees.
> >
> > I suggest that the membership needs to be involved in the 
> discussion 
> > about
> > (a) what committees we need (so you don't get overlap); (b) 
> who has the
> > mandate to appoint the Committee Chairs; (c) what voting 
> process should be
> > used to vote for these Chairs; (d) will the Membership only 
> be 'given' one
> > candidate or will the vote be between all candidates that 
> the Membership
> > nominates and seconds; (e) and will the other members of 
> the Committees
> also
> > be appointed, and if so, by whom, and how?
> >
> > As you can see, the motion you have proposed will only make 
> sense (and 
> > be worth voting on) if there is first an established and agreed 
> > process
> through
> > which the motion could be carried out.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Richard H
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
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