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Re: [atlarge-discuss] How are Committee Chairs (or members) to beappointed?
Thank you, Ron! I could not have summed it better myself.
Best Regards,
--Sotiris Sotiropoulos
Ron Sherwood wrote:
Dear Richard, and all who are interested in the group now known as the
Provisional Membership Committee:
It is my understanding that those members who applied to join the
Provisional Membership Committee, by responding to Sotiris' call for such
volunteers, would be in place by 00:00Zulu on Saturday morning. At that
time the committee should select a chairperson and immediately undertake the
task of verifying every elected panelist. They should do this by satisfying
themselves that the Panelist meets, or has met, the three criteria required
before the Panel may be seated.
1) verification that the person exists and is who they represent themselves
to be.
2) verification that the person is willing to serve.
3) verification that the person has presented his / her credentials to the
membership and posted an introduction on the discuss list.
They may use any means at their disposal to do this work, including, but not
limited to, Joey Borda's previous verification methods, Sotiris Sotiropoulos
verification methods, personal verification by other verified members, etc.
They will present their findings to the membership by posting to discuss
list (and other official sites).
If, by 00:00Zulu on Sunday morning, one week from the close of the election,
any elected Panelists have not met these three requirements, they will
automatically disqualify themselves.
At that point, if there are less than 11 Panelists verified, the number will
be made up by the next highest vote-getters who do meet these three
criteria.
When 11 Panelist have been verified according to the above requirements.
The Panel will be seated and take office.
At that time the Provisional Membership Committee will have completed its
task and the Panel is free to determine its future. The Panel may choose to
ratify the committee as the Membership Committee and task it with committee
member verification, membership verification, the formulation of privacy
policy, or any other similar membership related task. It may place a time
limit on the committee, or it may disband the committee altogether or poll
the membership on the options.
I repeat, this is my understanding of what is expected of this group of
volunteers.
Ron Sherwood
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>
To: <abel@able-towers.com>; "'Atlarge Discuss List'"
<atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:53 PM
Subject: [atlarge-discuss] How are Committee Chairs (or members) to be
appointed?
Abel wrote:
Motion to instigate a verification committee:
Upon acceptance of this motion the panel proposes:
to propose to the membership to request Joey Borda to chair a committee
for the time of 6 months, consisting of at least 5 but no more then 7
members
snip
Motion was tabled by Abel and seconded by Hugh
A little definition needed here... Are you saying that the Panel will
propose *ONE* recommended individual as Chair of the committee?
And the membership are to "request" Joey (or whoever) chairs the
committee... By what process is the Membership to *request* this?
Will there be a Membership-wide e-mail vote (as for panel members)? Will
the
vote be via the Polling Booth? Will the vote simply be a straw poll on
this
mailing list?
And if Members are to vote on this, what process will exist to propose
alternative 'candidates'?
I'm asking these questions, not out of negativity, but because we need to
define *clear processes* before the Panel can go ahead with this Motion. I
mean : you can't vote in an informed way unless you first define how the
process will take place.
And I suggest that the definition of process is important, not only with
reference to this single committee, but because we need to establish
procedure for the establishment of *all* committees.
I suggest that the membership needs to be involved in the discussion about
(a) what committees we need (so you don't get overlap); (b) who has the
mandate to appoint the Committee Chairs; (c) what voting process should be
used to vote for these Chairs; (d) will the Membership only be 'given' one
candidate or will the vote be between all candidates that the Membership
nominates and seconds; (e) and will the other members of the Committees
also
be appointed, and if so, by whom, and how?
As you can see, the motion you have proposed will only make sense (and be
worth voting on) if there is first an established and agreed process
through
which the motion could be carried out.
Hope this helps.
Richard H
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