Re: [atlarge-discuss] Panel Meetings

["Jkhan" <Jkhan@MetroMgr.com>]

Redemption

----- Original Message -----
From: "J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin" <jefsey@club-internet.fr
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Panel Meetings


> May be because the target is _not_ to copy ICANN. And because the
> preceeding Panel wanted to rule - as ICANN does - instead of serving.
>
> The main problem of the Panel is that Panelists wanted authority and
> control while a Panel is not here to lead but to help. Members have
clearly
> indicated they did not want a centralized structure and a do-iy-all panel.
> Basically the Panel has to incorporate to make sure there is an ad hoc
> structure owning the site and the member list, to put a directory of the
> committees on the site, and to make sure that the committees are duly
> elected by members listed by the Membership Committee. Apart from that the
> Panel should make sure that the next Panel is elected and that major
> positions statements and structural changes are voted by the Members.
>
> The Panel is the legitimacy of our organization. That does not require
> much. Just to be a member.
> jfc

a Snip in Time

>J.Khan
>The problem I have with those-things that hold a Board structure ... is
that
>they lend themselves to Hegemony.
>This is the problem.
>Icann has this problem, Icannatlarge has this problem.

>I feel the power of the organization should * not * rest in the hands of a
>few, it should rest in a body (a constitution) through which the People run
>the organization.

>Hegemony - is our enemy.

>So... how do we overcome it?

Snip in Time

> Just to clarify once again, an Icannatlarge that is "based on the
> conception that ultimate political authority resides not in the
> government or in any single government official,
> but rather, in the people."
>
> That sounds splendid, terrific!

Snip in Time

>R. Henderson:
> We are supposed to be embracing "bottom up" democracy, and we should use
> technology to demonstrate a model which shows up ICANN's top-down
>autocracy.

Are you talking a doctrine of popular sovereignty?, such as:
"
Popular Sovereignty

"We the People . . . do ordain and establish this Constitution."
These words are contained in the Constitution's Preamble and give expression
to the doctrine of popular sovereignty, or rule by the people. The
Constitution's Framers crafted a governing document, which they submitted
for popular ratification, based on the conception that ultimate political
authority resides not in the government or in any single government
official, but rather, in the people. "We, the People" own our government,
but under our representative democracy, we delegate the day-to-day governing
powers to a body of elected representatives. However, this delegation of
powers in no way impairs or diminishes the people's rights and
responsibilities as the supreme sovereign. The government's legitimacy
remains dependent on the governed, who retain the inalienable right to alter
or abolish their government or amend their Constitution."
--

Well then of course, by all means lets try it. That sounds like a great
idea.

James


----- Original Message -----
From: "J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin" <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
To: <DannyYounger@cs.com>; <abel@able-towers.com>
Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Panel Meetings


> May be because the target is _not_ to copy ICANN. And because the
> preceeding Panel wanted to rule - as ICANN does - instead of serving.
>
> The main problem of the Panel is that Panelists wanted authority and
> control while a Panel is not here to lead but to help. Members have
celarly
> indicated they did not want a centralized structoire and a do-iy-all
panel.
> Basically the Panel has to incorporate to make sure there is an ad hoc
> strcuture owning the site and the member list, to put a directory of the
> committees on the site, and to make sure that the committees are duely
> elected by members listed by the Membership Committee. Apart from that the
> Panel should make sure that the next Panel is elected and that major
> positions statements and structural changes are voted by the Members.
>
> The Panel is the legitimacy of our organization. That does not require
> much. Just to be a member.
> jfc




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