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Re: [atlarge-discuss] A Fully Active Panel...
Mauro and all fellow members,
I am truly sorry that you or any member is stressed by the
truth. But sometimes the truth is stressful and must also sometimes
be repeated in order for those that refuse to accept it to take
honest head to it.
The truth is also becoming more well known amongst
other organizations, governments, and law enforcement
agencies around the globe, regarding this fledgling
organization as has been pointed out from time to time
on this forum.
You are right Mauro that either we start anew, or possibly we
may need to clean up the mess that Jefsey, Eric, and Bruce
yet again have created unnecessarily for the members of this
fledgling organization.
A/S Mauro D. Ríos wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I have listened this too many times: "the panel is not legitimate."
> If it is this way and if this that we denominate Panel is only a "group of
> members managing the organization", what does it impede to other 100 or 1000
> members to be added to this group of people to contribute and to manage the
> organization?. How they say here, there would be more caciques than Indians.
>
> I believe that everything has a beginning point, in the case of @Large has
> already attempted it other times and it always finishes on the dot zero,
> reason why this it is a new beginning point and we should assume this way
> it. The first election in the French Republic was not perfect, the democracy
> of the Greeks was but restricted that a police sation, the Swiss
> organization of its so particular democracy was rejected in the beginning.
>
> Gentlemen, if we continue saying that this panel is illegitimate, please,
> let us make silence, let us suspend the whole activity and let us begin to
> work to organize a new "legitimate" election, but to continue in these gray
> areas only harms to @Large, internally and toward out since are in front of
> the eyes of many external people and many other organizations.
>
> greetings,
> Mauro. -
>
> .............................
> [ES] He escuchado esto demasiadas veces: "el panel no es legítimo".
> Si es así y si esto que denominamos Panel es sólo un "grupo de miembros
> manejando la organización", ¿qué impide a otros 100 o 1000 miembros sumarse
> a este grupo de personas a contribuir y manejar la organización?. Cómo dicen
> aquí, habría más caciques que indios.
>
> Creo que todo tiene un punto de inicio, en el caso de @Large ya lo ha
> intentado otras veces y termina siempre en punto cero, por lo cual este es
> un nuevo punto de inicio y debemos asumirlo así. La primera elección en la
> República Francesa no fue perfecta, la democracia de los Griegos era mas
> restringida que una comisaría, la organización suiza de su tan particular
> democracia fue rechazada en el inicio.
>
> Caballeros, si continuamos diciendo que este panel es ilegítimo, por favor,
> hagamos silencio, suspendamos toda la actividad y comencemos a trabajar para
> organizar una nueva elección "legítima", pero continuar en estas zonas
> grises sólo hace daño a @Large, internamente y hacia afuera ya que estamos
> frente a los ojos de muchas personas externas y muchas otras organizaciones.
>
> saludos,
> Mauro.-
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> Enviado el: Martes, 08 de Julio de 2003 06:09 a.m.
> Para: Walter Schmidt
> CC: Atlarge Discuss List
> Asunto: Re: [atlarge-discuss] A Fully Active Panel...
>
> Walter and all fellow members,
>
> There are no legitimate Panel members. We are seeing a repeat
> of the previous panel nonsense.
>
> This is a membership driven organization. Hence
> any policy must be approved by the members vote.
>
> There is not now, nor has there ever been a need for
> any member here to "Volunteer" as "Unpaid" for
> any actual "Work" of this fledgling organization.
> So complaining in defense of any member here
> of not being paid is a ruse and should be treated
> as such.
>
> Walter Schmidt wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, it was written:
> >
> > > We deserve and need a fully active panel representing our group.
> >
> > ...and that's what we have - especially when we remember they are all
> > unpaid volunteers!
> >
> > --
> >
> > --- REgards, walts@dorsai.org Walter C. Schmidt, IT CPA Blue(^) ---
> > - - Microsoft MVP - Windows XP Media Center Edition - HPMC 873n ---
> > - - Associate Expert - Expert Zone - -
> > --- http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ ---
> > - - http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/columns/schmidt/ ---
> > - - 52 Ken http://www.dorsai.org/~walts/ Sun 57 - -
> >
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> Regards,
>
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders strong!)
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Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
Pierre Abelard
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