Re: [atlarge-discuss] The devil's trap

["Micheal Sherrill" <micheal@beethoven.com>]

Hello Jefsey:

Your posting is so far out in left field  (American slang for much conjecture) 
it may be 
out of the ball park.  You have developed a conspiracy theory that gives way too 
much 
credit to calculated planning by some gang that is using Jeff-Jeff Holt-Williams 
as a 
stooge.  This character is in too many places, mail lists, and forums to have a 
plan.  All he 
has, Jefsey, is mania.

You wrote: "What they want is to oblige the Panel to vote the ban of JWs and 
look a  
stupid group a nazi folks."

I do not think so.  What "they" will see is a fledgling organization finally 
getting 
coordinated enough to control their destiny and not allow Internet crazies from 
disrupting 
their first works.  This is far from being Nazi folks.  This is self 
realization.

You wrote: "The Panel has not the power (no by-laws) nor the capacity (Thomas 
has  
consistently refused to ban anyone) to ban Jeff. It has documented (Joop)  
that it could not and needed another list. So what, they vote and get  
refused? Looks nice."

I do not think so.  The Panel has the power to pass motions.  It does not need 
by-laws for 
their actions against someone that has done a criminal act.  Correct me if I am 
wrong, but 
did you just state that it is Thomas Roessler that is in charge of ICANNatLarge 
and not 
the members and their elected officials because he owns the server?

You wrote: "And it will look a joke as everyone, including Joanna and Danny, 
know that 
banning JWs will not ban its author."

We are all aware that banning this persona will not ban the author.  But, it 
will at least 
glean one of the most disruptive forces we have in the organization and serve 
notice that 
such behavior will not be tolerated.  The author will use one of his other 
characters but it 
will not be as destabilizing as this one.  If we do not ban him, rather, the 
joke would be 
on us.

I think the Panel is doing quite nicely, thank you.

Regards,


Micheal Sherrill


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "JFC Morfin @large" <jfc@atlarge.ws>
Date:  Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:45:17 +0200

I think all of you should think twice about the method to use to ban Jeff 
Williamses.

IMHO this affair is an organized trap. That trap was set-up the day I 
started the election process: Jeff Williams was the clone chosen to blow 
it, even in committing e-suicide. JWs was to organize a clash in opposing 
and in adding "unacceptable" acts. Among others it was disclosing its VID, 
claiming ballots where spam, the Jeff/Jeff lunchon, now this mail. Next it 
would be insulting Vint or GW Bush.

What they want is to oblige the Panel to vote the ban of JWs and look a 
stupid group a nazi folks.

The Panel has not the power (no by-laws) nor the capacity (Thomas has 
consistently refused to ban anyone) to ban Jeff. It has documented (Joop) 
that it could not and needed another list. So what, they vote and get 
refused? Looks nice.

Would Thomas accept, they would claim it is biased (hurting Thomas' 
reputation) that the Panel is a joke (quoting Sotiris) and that thye want 
to punish JWs from saying it from the very first day. And it will look a 
joke as everyone, including Joanna and Danny, know that banning JWs will 
not ban its author.

BTW, this happens just when the GA is disrupted. Any relation?


What I would propose would be:

1. to create another list with the same members, under the open minded 
control of the Panel (so no one can object).

2. expose the case to the whole Membership and ask it to vote on it. This 
would:

     - show the Panel respects its role and duties
     - this is an exceptional decision, with an exceptional procedure, for 
an exceptional fault
     - this will let know everyone that at last an action has been 
undertaken against manipulators
     - may be there could be two questions : do you want to ban - to join 
the new list.
       It could be good outreach. All the more if the GA is not resurected.
     - everyone would know it was handled in the open, and would know about 
it.
       End of JWs. Very strong warning to the clone maker.

Jefsey


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