Re: [atlarge-discuss] Denise Michel also targets Latin American users

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Richard and all fellow members,

  As you know I am in complete agreement with you here, and
your remarks ring so very true.  So as such I am puzzled how
any member of ICANNATLARGE.ORG would consider
banning me or any other interested party or stakeholder/user?

Richard Henderson wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <DannyYounger@cs.com>
> > Does icannatlarge intend to take a position on the ALAC and its RALOs?
> >
>
> Further to my previous comments...
>
> What is the credibility of a quango which is only answerable to *one*
> government (USG) for the administration of a world resource which impacts on
> *all* governments?
>
> Why should people in other countries trust ICANN's policies, if it is only
> answerable to the US?
>
> What gives the US the right to be the ultimate overseer of the world's
> internet?
>
> And what is the credibility of ICANN when it has historically been vilified
> for its opaque dealings, its perceived links with inside interests, its
> crass lack of responsiveness, its abandonment at will of consensus, its
> expulsion of the only democratically elected element in its Board Room?
>
> And why should our own organisation (misnamed 'icannatlarge') offer any
> legitimacy to this illegitimate quango, which has expelled our own
> democratically elected representatives from its Board Room, and taken one of
> them to court in a high-profile case which they lost?
>
> ALAC is an invention of the ICANN Board, an internal construction, to try to
> legitimise the illegitimate.
>
> Until ICANN is accountable, not to DoC, but to a broad coalition of nations
> and users... it has no credibility in the outside world (outside the US,
> that is)... and little credibility inside the US either.
>
> The goal of our organisation is to represent the interests of Internet Users
> all over the world, not only to ICANN, but to the world press and the broad
> communities where we variously live.
>
> We are the opposition to ICANN. We are an alternative seat of power, once
> the other countries challenge the US hegemony and assumption to a divine
> oversight of 'our' internet.
>
> ICANN is merely an internal US quango which is unlikely to last. It has a
> self-interested and self-perpetuating Board, which is unresponsive and
> unaccountable (except to its USG backers who keep it in place for their own
> convenience).
>
> The clear majority of those members who responded to our Polls expressed
> scepticism about ALAC, huge mistrust of Esther Dyson and Denise Michel, and
> rejection of the RALOs initiative.
>
> What we need (as has been expressed by our members) is not participation in
> ICANN's own illusion (which merely gives it an appearance of legitimacy) but
> vociferous opposition of that artificial, top-down irrelevance to the
> democratic process.
>
> What we need is the clear distanced construction of an alternative worldwide
> structure, not ICANN's RALOs but an independent structure which gets on
> regardless of ICANN and repudiates ICANN.
>
> We represent not the US Government (like ICANN) but the actual internet
> users of the whole world.
>
> In this sense, it is folly to let ourselves be contained or defined by
> ICANN's top-down structures, which everyone knows is just the same old ICANN
> game of 'control'.
>
> Danny, you ask what should be our relationship to ALAC and its RALOs.
>
> There should be *no* relationship. Are we not capable of making ourselves
> heard, independently of ICANN? If we sort of "merge" with the ICANN process,
> our voice will just be marginalised in the usual ICANN game.
>
> There is absolutely no reason why we should not promote a populist
> alternative voice for the Internet... a voice which is not answerable to one
> government (the US government) but answerable to the whole worldwide
> community of internet users.
>
> In the end, people around the world will get the message.
>
> We should get on build our own worldwide movement, not help build up a USG
> structure which will claim to represent everyone but which - in fact -
> ignores even its own internal constituencies.
>
> ICANN of course is appalled by this prospect of a free and independent
> worldwide structure.
>
> It hoped that it could crush independent voices by removing the elected At
> Large from its Board. The last thing it wants is for the re-emergence of the
> independent voices in a worldwide structure outside of its control,
> challenging its control of the DNS.
>
> That's exactly why it created ALAC, as a decoy.
>
> And that's exactly why we should press on ahead with the creation of a
> *clearly independent* worldwide structure which repudiates ALAC and the
> RALOs.
>
> Our voices will be heard more clearly if we are distinctive and outside
> ICANN, building the *real* worldwide structure. Maybe not heard by the ICANN
> Board, if it doesn't want to listen, but heard by the media, by governments,
> by the internet community. Because, in the end, the debate is about whether
> one quango in one country should be empowered to administer this worldwide
> resource for the human race, and only be accountable to one (dominant)
> government.
>
> That's the debate that has yet to break open in the public consciousness and
> the media, and we should be positioning ourselves right now on the outside
> of ICANN and (ideally) on the outside of the US, so we have a meaningful
> identity and mission when the real issue becomes central.
>
> The very first thing we should do is:
>
> Abandon our name which makes us (and our mission) implicitly part of ICANN,
> a kind of subsection of their empire.
>
> That is laughable.
>
> Our Mission needs to clearly define our goal of a worldwide structure of our
> own, through which to truly and freely represent ordinary internet users.
> The outmoded name should be the first thing to go!
>
> yrs,
>
> Richard Henderson
> The At Large / Worldwide Internet Users
>
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Regards,

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