Re: [atlarge-discuss] The VOTE on the Polling Commission

["Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>]

Thanks Abel

However this does not quite answer my constitutional question which was:

Where Panel opinion and Membership opinion diverge, whose opinion will take
precedence?

Should the first Poll ask this important constitutional question?

I accept that there is further definition to be put in place concerning the
size of the vote needed to make it authoritative, but given a well-supported
vote, will the Panel concede that the Members have a right to over-rule
them, and will this right of the Membership be written into our constitution
(or at least, into the rules for the Polling Commission)?

An issue like this cannot be left vague, and as it is central to the
organisation, I believe it is a key first question to put to the Membership,
so that the Membership itself can, bottom-up, claim this constitutional
right for itself if it so desires.

yrs,

Richard H




----- Original Message -----
From: Abel Wisman <abel@able-towers.com>
To: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 12:45 AM
Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] The VOTE on the Polling Commission


> Richard,
>
> The motion that was the groundwork for this current charter was #2003-10
>
> What this panel-comm did was merely in conjunction with that motion lay
> down the ground rules for that comm.
> The next step is organizing the elections for the members of that comm.
>
> In the mean time the panel will continue the work on the by-laws and
> incorporation of which this comm will be a part.
> We will also in the mean time try and come up with standards as to when
> and how a poll will be either binding or strong advice to the panel.
> The hardest part will be what numbers we are going to set, which in turn
> will be partially dependant of the number of verified members in this
> organization so that a reasonable percentage can be given to a poll to
> be binding or advisory or just gained knowledge. Of course the question
> itself will be important in that reasoning as well.
>
> At the very least shall the panel use the outcome of the polls as her
> lead towards her actions and write out elections should such be needed
> in the light of an outcome of a poll.
>
> It will not be a matter of difference of opinion, but whether it is
> workable, and more importantly representative for the entire membership.
>
> Hope this answers the question on this work in progress which for that
> same reason is not moved in the form of a real motion, since there is
> already a motion that constitutes the outcome, we are merely proposing
> some "rules" to go by before we start organizing the election.
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Abel
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Henderson [mailto:richardhenderson@ntlworld.com]
> > Sent: 18 July 2003 22:08
> > To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > Subject: [atlarge-discuss] The VOTE on the Polling Commission
> >
> >
> > HelpThis is clearly a very significant Panel VOTE going on to
> > determine the nature and work of the future Polling Commission:
> >
> http://mailman.icannatlarge.org/pipermail/panel/2003-July/001004.html
>
> Given that the VOTE has already begun, could the Panel please define the
> relationship between Poll results expressing the wishes of the
> membership, and the degree to which such results will bind the Panel?
>
> In otherwords, where Panel opinion and Membership opinion diverge, whose
> opinion will take precedence?
>
> Should the first Poll ask this important constitutional question?
>
>
> yrs,
>
>
> Richard H
>
>
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