Re: [icann-eu] Proposal: icann-europe-full

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Alan and all,

  Me thinks you protest too much....  If you would, please try to
be more brief in your comments in the future.  As you have already
done the "Me Too" dance here complaining about lengthy posts
by Jim Flemming it would seem appropriate that you take your
and others own complaints in this regard under serious advisement.

Alan Lenton wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> To: "Alexander Svensson" <svensson@icannchannel.de>
> Cc: <icann-europe@fitug.de>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 2:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [icann-eu] Proposal: icann-europe-full
>
> > Alexander and all,
> >
> >   Banning is a form of censorship.  CENSORSHIP in any of it's
> > forms is WRONG!
> >
>
> This is complete nonsense.
>
> The mailing list icann-eu is a voluntary association of European ICANN
> @Large members who have joined together to discuss issues that jointly
> affect them, and to work to resolve those issues. They, through the list's
> moderator, are perfectly entitled to tell to anyone that they do not want to
> work with that person - for any reason what so ever.
>
> That isn't censorship - it's the right of any group to say who is and who
> isn't a member. You can argue that the reason for excluding someone is not
> valid, but it's certainly not censoring them. If we tried to have that
> person excluded from the Internet, then a case could be made for it being
> censorship. In this case there is absolutely nothing to stop a person who
> has been told that their contributions aren't welcome from going and setting
> up their own list.
>
> I think it is perfectly reasonable for Thomas to suspend someone's access to
> the list because they are posting a lot of material directly to the list
> after being asked not to. It is about time that people understood that being
> part of a mailing list is a privilege, not a right. As a member of a list
> you do get the right to post your material. With that right goes a duty to
> make sure that material is appropriate for the list and written in a polite
> manner. If you don't take the duties you accepted on subscribing seriously,
> then you have no right to use the list to post to.
>
> What I do think is outrageous is trying to give Thomas with the
> responsibility of running another list so that those people who
> systematically violate the rules of this list can continue their personal
> vendettas. If people who have been excluded want their own mailing list,
> then they should go and set a list of their own up, and do their own
> administration.
>
> I write this with extreme reluctance, since it is not the central business
> of this list It seems to me that this nonsense has gone on for long enough
> and that we need to get back to the business in hand, which is organising
> ourselves so that we have a real voice in the decisions that ICANN makes.
>
> Alan Lenton

Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman INEGroup (Over 112k members strong!)
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
Contact Number:  972-447-1800 x1894 or 9236 fwd's to home ph#
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208