Re: [ICANN-EU] Re: [icann-candidates] Re: [ga] bodacious-tata[s].NET

[Marc Schneiders <marc@venster.nl>]

Jefsey and others,

On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Jefsey Morfin wrote:

> Marc,
> Absolutely. I certainly do not oppose the UDRP but I wish it
> to be imporved:
> -  in including a Domain Name definition, since you cannot
>     state on somehting you do not know.
> -  in having at least a counter-power. This "bodacious-tata"
>     strory could help a lot. Humour is sometime very wise.
> 
> I am NOT a lawyer, not competent enough 

I am not a lawyer either. Whether this is matter of being competent is
turned into a big question by the bodacious case :-)

> (I am just a user
> with needs, proposing ways to obtain the responses I miss).
> We could set up a ML for people with that spirit (humour to
> keep UDRPs in good tracks and provide a kind of apeal
> through community awareness).
> 
> Let me know: I will setup an udrp-tata@egroups.com list.

Let us think about this, for a couple of hours. Maybe better to run this
on some existing lists (not the ones this message is on, I would think). A
specific list for this one domain does not seem useful. A general list
about mistaken UDRP cases may be. And I am not very fond of the egroups
adds. It makes it so easy to accidently delete the messages as spam before
reading them...
I might be able to run a list myself on the server on which
bodacious-tatas.org is. If it is a good idea to have a new list. Let's
take a little time to think.

> I like Marcs
.org site. If someone is interested in running > the .net site?

If you find it difficult, or not useful now, to have independant content,
you can change the nameservers to those for bodacious-tatas.org. I will
then do dns for it, and show what is on the .org also on the .net (both
the 1 and the 2 tatas .net). I can also add the whois info to the page:

http://www.bodacious-tatas.org/whois.html

if you like... and dare :-))) 

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 > Jefsey
> > At 11:27 03/09/00, you wrote:
> >Dear Marc, dear Jefsey:
> >
> > From former discussions you know, that I am pro UDRP.
> >That does not mean, that I accept all the decisions made through it.
> >
> >The idea of an award for lousy decisions is great.
> >If needed, I'll gladly sponsor it.
> >Maybe we could develop it into something
> >similar to legal aid for an UDRP appeal?
> >
> >Andreas Fuegner
> >
> >-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >Von: Marc Schneiders <<mailto:marc@venster.nl>marc@venster.nl>
> >An: Jefsey Morfin <<mailto:jefsey@online.fr>jefsey@online.fr>
> >Cc: <mailto:ga@dnso.org>ga@dnso.org <<mailto:ga@dnso.org>ga@dnso.org>; 
> ><mailto:icann-europe@fitug.de>icann-europe@fitug.de 
> ><<mailto:icann-europe@fitug.de>icann-europe@fitug.de>; 
> ><mailto:icann-candidates@egroups.com>icann-candidates@egroups.com 
> ><<mailto:icann-candidates@egroups.com>icann-candidates@egroups.com>
> >Datum: Sonntag, 3. September 2000 12:13
> >Betreff: Re: [icann-candidates] Re: [ga] bodacious-tata[s].NET
> >
> >
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> >Jefsey,
> >
> >On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Jefsey Morfin wrote:
> >
> > > Marc,
> > > it seems that you went faster than me
> >
> >I can be fast, yes, let us keep that possibility open for new domains :-))
> >
> > > as I registered this after-noon
> > > bodacious-tata.net and bodacious-tatas.net to see if there is a difference
> > > between one breast (the Tata TM as no 's') and two breasts.
> >
> >I nearly registered the .net myself, but thought .org was more in tune
> >with the original purpose of the TLDs. Even if this has been given up
> >officialy.
> >
> > > My idea was to propose to name a WIPO big flop a "bodacious tata".
> > > And to open a "bodacious-tata" contest for WIPO panelists, with a
> > > yearly award.
> >
> >You could make this a weekly award. Plenty candidates.
> >
> > > This to protect people against panelists misbehavior. As
> > > there is no appeal: it could provide some kind of a community control
> > > and a de facto increased protection. The site would certainly want to
> > > be a positive part of the UDRP system. I would then be interested in
> > > an UDRP against it. My intent was to call on all the UDRP pros to
> > > nominate panelists as they are shocked by a decision.
> >
> >My main concern is that this case sets a precedent. The TM lobby cleverly
> >moves ahead with a case against a porn domain for which nobody has much
> >sympathy, or rather does not want to show sympathy. Next time someone from
> >wherever who calls his company Fun may claim all domains with fun in it.
> >
> >I doubt the owner of bodacious-tatas.com will fight this case in court. It
> >is probably not worth the money it costs. So we must fight it in the
> >press. Setting up a little site is a good (and inexpensive) way to get
> >attention. I hope...
> >
> > > May be could we join forces?
> >
> >By all means!
> >
> >Marc
> >
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> >
> > > At 02:32 03/09/00, you wrote:
> > > >A recent UDRP case, which is both sad and funny, made me set up a website
> > > >under a domain very similar to that deleted by WIPO.
> > > >
> > > >If you are interested in WIPO versus free speech issues, I kindly invite
> > > >you to have a look at
> > > >
> > > ><http://www.bodacious-tatas.ORG>http://www.bodacious-tatas.ORG
> > > >
> > > >Please, note the ORG. The disputed domain was .COM.
> > > >
> > > >Any further info, refs to articles, comments in the press or elswhere
> > > >would be much appreciated!
> > > >
> > > >Thanks for your time!
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