Alas, no PIN yet, no vote in October [Re: [ICANN-EU] RE: PLEASE TELLME I'M WRONG. (AND WHY)]

[Marc Schneiders <marc@venster.nl>]

Andrew,

Fine. It remains a fact that there are tales of a lot of people who have
not received their PIN (yet). Also many who applied months back. I know
just one other person here who applied for atlarge membership. He has not
received his PIN. The postal service is fairly good in my country.

No, he did not move, not give a fake address, etc. Either his PIN was not
sent, despite claims by ICANN. Or it was lost in the mail, or the US
postal service needs more than a month to get it to Europe. You may tell
me what it is. Is the US postal service that bad? 

One PIN letter lost is a possibility. Two, a Hundred also. Thousands? I
simply do not buy it. Make up another story.

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On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Andrew McLaughlin wrote:

> Giorgio:
> 
> A few points:
> 
> 1.  You're wrong about (4).  You don't have to be a member to be a
> candidate, or a nominees, or a director.  Anyone can be a candidate or
> nominee, or director.
> 
> 2.  I think Jeanette simply lost her PIN letter, or had it sent to an prior
> address (correct me if I'm wrong, Jeanette).  Please keep in mind that the
> application required that a valid physical address be given.  This is for
> extremely important verification and fraud prevention purposes.  That
> address had to be valid;  we could not allow online changes in address to be
> made, because it would open to door to clever fraud efforts (enter one
> address in the application;  then request the PIN letter be sent to another
> address).  Also, we do not have the money to send more than one PIN
> reminder, and we do not have the staff to enter new addresses by hand.
> 
> If the address given was invalid, no PIN letter will be received.  If the
> address *becomes* invalid (due to a move), the result is the same.  If the
> applicant moves to a new address, she/he simply has to get her/his mail
> forwarded to the new address.  If that works, she/he will have no trouble
> activating.
> 
> The procedure may seem burdensome, but it is dictated by (1) lack of
> resources, and (2) the need for very strong verification and anti-fraud
> measures.
> 
> --Andrew
> 
> 
> [ -----Original Message-----
> [ From: grunz@box1.tin.it [mailto:grunz@box1.tin.it]On Behalf Of Griffini
> [ Giorgio
> [ Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 8:47 PM
> [ To: Jeanette Hofmann; icann-europe@fitug.de; icann-europe@fitug.de;
> [ mclaughlin@pobox.com
> [ Subject: PLEASE TELL ME I'M WRONG. (AND WHY)
> [ 
> [ 
> [ Sorry for the emphasis on the subject but the Jeanette Hofmann msg about 
> [ her activation problems made my brain rolling and I double 
> [ verified on bylaw a 
> [ thing that I will explain. (please Jeanette take a seat near to you)
> [ 
> [ 1) Applications for memberships are closed now so no new 
> [ members will be accepted.
> [ 2) To be a member the application for membership _must_ be verified.
> [ 3) To verify the application the PIN _must_ be used.
> [ 4) The director _must_ be a member.  
> [ 
> [ This open an interesting scenario where even a Nom-Com candidate may be 
> [ not eligible because (s)he is not an @large 'member'.
> [ Jeanette is slighthly in a better position respect , for example 
> [ to a Nom-Com 
> [ candidate who did not apply for membership. The Nom-Com candidate 
> [ cannot at all became a member while Jeanette applied and it is 
> [ not her fault 
> [ if PIN arrived late.
> [ 
> [ This fact will have 'sort of' devastating effects on these 
> [ elections....so please 
> [ try to convince me I'm wrong...
> [ 
> [ Any opinions?
> [ 
> [ Best regards
> [ Giorgio Griffini
> [ 
> [ 
> [ 
>