Re: [ICANN-EU] RE: PLEASE TELL ME I'M WRONG. (AND WHY)

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Jaenette and all,

jeanette@medea.wz-berlin.de wrote:

> >
> > 2.  I think Jeanette simply lost her PIN letter, or had it sent to an prior
> > address (correct me if I'm wrong, Jeanette).
>
> Actually, I was among the first couple of hundreds to apply for
> membership. And, yes, I moved in the second half of April - more
> than a month later. German Bundespost was unable to forward my
> mail for about 3 weeks. I reported this problem to ICANN and was
> told something like "no problem, wait another month, should't you
> have got it forwarded by then, we'll resend the Pin to you." Another
> 2 or 3 mails went back and forth and I expected to get a new letter.
> I never got one. In the mid of August, I finally got a last mail to tell
> me that ICANN is unable to make changes in the database. Too
> late to suggest another solution.

 This is a typical ICANN solution.  No solution at all.  The ICANN
At-Large membership problem has been an ongoing one for some time.
It remains unsolved and getting worse in scope and made up complexity.
Again typical for the ICANN staff.

>
> Shouldn't ICANN have told us that it takes more than a month to
> send out the Pins and that people who are really serious about
> becoming members are not allowed to move between, say end of
> February and I don't know which month?
> Anyway, a few minutes before the deadline another candidate gave
> me his vote out of courtesy and friendship. Guess, who it was. No,
> it wasn't Lutz ;-)
> I am very, very grateful for all the support I've got. And I do care a
> lot about the At Large Membership's future, regardless who'll finally
> makes it.
> jeanette

  Jeanette, it is very obvious to me and our European member that you
do honestly care.  Unfortunately the ICANN board and staff recognizes
this as well and is somewhat scared of folks with these honest feelings
and concerns.

>
>
>   Please keep in mind that the
> > application required that a valid physical address be given.  This is for
> > extremely important verification and fraud prevention purposes.  That
> > address had to be valid;  we could not allow online changes in address to be
> > made, because it would open to door to clever fraud efforts (enter one
> > address in the application;  then request the PIN letter be sent to another
> > address).  Also, we do not have the money to send more than one PIN
> > reminder, and we do not have the staff to enter new addresses by hand.
> >
> > If the address given was invalid, no PIN letter will be received.  If the
> > address *becomes* invalid (due to a move), the result is the same.  If the
> > applicant moves to a new address, she/he simply has to get her/his mail
> > forwarded to the new address.  If that works, she/he will have no trouble
> > activating.
> >
> > The procedure may seem burdensome, but it is dictated by (1) lack of
> > resources, and (2) the need for very strong verification and anti-fraud
> > measures.
> >
> > --Andrew
> >
> >
> > [ -----Original Message-----
> > [ From: grunz@box1.tin.it [mailto:grunz@box1.tin.it]On Behalf Of Griffini
> > [ Giorgio
> > [ Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 8:47 PM
> > [ To: Jeanette Hofmann; icann-europe@fitug.de; icann-europe@fitug.de;
> > [ mclaughlin@pobox.com
> > [ Subject: PLEASE TELL ME I'M WRONG. (AND WHY)
> > [
> > [
> > [ Sorry for the emphasis on the subject but the Jeanette Hofmann msg about
> > [ her activation problems made my brain rolling and I double
> > [ verified on bylaw a
> > [ thing that I will explain. (please Jeanette take a seat near to you)
> > [
> > [ 1) Applications for memberships are closed now so no new
> > [ members will be accepted.
> > [ 2) To be a member the application for membership _must_ be verified.
> > [ 3) To verify the application the PIN _must_ be used.
> > [ 4) The director _must_ be a member.
> > [
> > [ This open an interesting scenario where even a Nom-Com candidate may be
> > [ not eligible because (s)he is not an @large 'member'.
> > [ Jeanette is slighthly in a better position respect , for example
> > [ to a Nom-Com
> > [ candidate who did not apply for membership. The Nom-Com candidate
> > [ cannot at all became a member while Jeanette applied and it is
> > [ not her fault
> > [ if PIN arrived late.
> > [
> > [ This fact will have 'sort of' devastating effects on these
> > [ elections....so please
> > [ try to convince me I'm wrong...
> > [
> > [ Any opinions?
> > [
> > [ Best regards
> > [ Giorgio Griffini
> > [
> > [
> > [
> >

Regards,

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