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[icann-eu] Summary
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- From: Thomas Roessler <roessler@does-not-exist.org>
- Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:15:36 +0100
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Since the "last call", there have been lots of arguments floating
around on this list. I'll try to summarize them by issue, and try
to find out on what points we have consensus or at least rough
consensus.
When commenting on my conclusions and remarks, please keep in mind
that I'm _not_ primarly looking at the desired outcome of the study,
but at the outer limits ICANN should better not pass. Please don't
hesitate to correct me if I got something wrong.
- Board structure.
There are basically two approaches: Some suggest that the study's
scope be extended to include, for instance, the DNSO which Barbara
Simons considers to be the "most broken part of ICANN". Jefsey
Morfin suggested that the open question "is from 0 to 19 @large
directors".
Wolfgang Kleinwächter warned that the call for a Great Unified
Study could let us end up nowhere. I'm inclined to agree with
him, and Barbara also seems to find a study acceptable which is
focused on improving the process to elect/select the At Large
Directors.
From re-reading all the messages, it seems to me that the demand
which is closest to consensus on this list is this:
-> Abandon the clean-sheet approach.
-> Stick with the current board structure (9 + 9 + 1) a priori.
-> Concentrate on methods for the selection of the 9 at large
directors (don't start shouting, election vs selection comes
next).
The argument behind this is that the study committee is chartered
to find a solution which would create community consensus.
There's no point in trying to find community consensus on a
reduction of the number of At Large directors, since such
consensus won't occur. Studying this question in detail is, thus,
a waste of time and money.
- Selection vs. election vs. ...
There was ample discussion on the original wording of the
comments, which I repeat for your reference:
>> The recent At Large elections have produced the strong
public expectation that the At Large directors will be
elected, and that at least five of them continue to be
elected directly. Not satisfying this expectation would lead
to strong dissent, and endanger the consensus-finding
mission of the Study Committee. <<
Please note that this is not just about the procedure used for
counting the voices - for in-depth coverage of the
direct-vs-indirect issue, please look at the CDT study, which is
available online. (I don't have the URL at hand, but it's easy to
find from www.cdt.org.) Please also note that we can concentrate
on the fundamental question - pseudo-indirect systems like the
American one aren't actually interesting here.
So, the questions we should try to answer are these:
-> Could we imagine consensus on a model in which the other board
members appoint some or all of the at large directors? I think
I can safely answer this question with "no".
-> Could we imagine consensus on a model in which all 9 at large
directors are appointed by some council (which would in turn be
elected in some way)? I am under the impression that the
consensus answer to this question is "no".
-> Could we imagine consensus on a model which does not fulfill
the following characteristics of the latest elections?
* Members can nominate candidates.
* Members directly vote for at least one candidate per region.
I suppose we can safely answer this question with "no".
-> Could we imagine consensus on a model like the one Roberto
Gaetano suggested? That is, use an improved version of the
latest elections for five of the at large seats, and some kind
of indirect election for the remaining four.
Some of us apparently can. Others, such as Jeanette Hofmann
and Ted Byfield, are strongly opposed. Still others (Barbara
Simons) argue tactically, and say that this idea, once
introduced, could be abused in order to justify the selection
of the remaining four seats by the rest of the board. I'm
inclined to disagree with Barbara on this question, since the
model she proposes is out of bounds eo ispo, but then again...
As a conclusion, I do believe that the last option should be
examined by the study. But I also think that we may savely claim
that the other three models don't need to be examined in depth by
the study committee, since consensus on them is just impossible.
Of course, working out the details of any such model, and
analyzing t he latest elections, are one of the most important
topics of the study.
- The Study Committee.
There has been quite some discussion on who should and should not
go into the study committee. The current staff paper suggests one
sitting board member, and mentions experience, which implies that
no of the newly-elected directors matches this description.
Suggestions we had so far included these:
-> Appoint _two_ sitting board members who can balance each other,
one of them being an elected one. Some mentioned that this
option would still permit for a Kraaijenbrink-Katoh ticket,
which looks like a horror scenario for some, and would
certainly draw criticism. (Froomkins even called the
Kraaijenbrink option a "slap in our face".)
-> Don't include any sitting board members at all, and ask a
former member of the board to participate. Greg Crew was
mentioned by Wolfgang Kleinwächter.
Alexander Svensson mentioned that this option would not include
a reasonable liaison between the board and the committee, and
that including a sitting director may actually be favorable.
-> Include a former director and a candidate from the latest
elections. Individuals mentioned were (in alphabetical order)
Jeanette Hofmann, Lawrence Lessig, and Barbara Simons. There
are probably others who may be suitable.
I don't see any consensus in this question, except - maybe - on
the feeling that any of the "board squatters" would not be
acceptable as a member of the study committee. However, we should
be aware of the fact that accepting the experience requirement and
excluding the "board squatters" from the set of acceptable
liaisons would imply that we'd call for one of the SO directors to
serve on the study committee. Some may find this undesirable.
One possible way out of this mine field may be the following
approach: Appoint a former director in order to communicate the
necessary experience with ICANN's history, and appoint one of the
newly-elected at large directors to communicate experience with
the election process, and serve as a liaison to the board.
--
Thomas Roessler <roessler@does-not-exist.org>