[atlarge-discuss] RE: [atlarge-panel] let keep cool, organized and simple

[Joanna Lane <jo-uk@rcn.com>]

> Including TLDs in names has been repetedly refused by WIPO and judges as
> making any difference. It is confusing and only shows that the people
> wearing it have not really understood what DNS is (unless the TLD has a
> particular added meaning, apart from "I have been sold by ISOC").

Know your audience.

We are not aiming for industry experts who understand DNS, neither WIPO.
They will deal with us wearing whatever name we chose to bear. What I think
we care about is talking in a language that the general public understands
so that we can attract the most seriously under-represented groups and give
them a VOTE in the process.

Our audience has barely grasped that an internet exists, if at all, and
would include the 80% of the world who don't even wear shoes for Eric's boy
to shine. Do you really think InternetAtLarge.org screams "I have been sold
by ISOC" to them?

Some might ask you how long you want to accomplish nothing here, but I
couldn't possibly comment.

Regards,
Joanna


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> "atlarge.org" can be UDRPed by atlarge.com. A TLD is NO part of a
> name. The
> idea that a name must be on ".com", ".org", ".net" is a US centric idea,
> which is outdated as ".info", ".us" etc. take over.
>
> This looks as people giving their telephone number, but not
> bothering about
> the area code. Their forename but not their name. The TLD is the
> area code
> or the name in an Internet name. Boring to memorize it? well if I
> tell you
> to send me a mail to "jefsey" and I suppose you know that I am
> under  "@club-internet.fr" who will be boring who?
>
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> 4. the atlarge ULD
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> an ULD (upper level domain) is an SLD used as a charter for a
> proposed TLD
> (see below). Our target as @large is to have new TLDs permitted ASAP. The
> first TLD we want is ".atlarge".
>
> To support that project I have initiated though the world@wide
> foundation,
> the "@LARGE WORLD SYSTEM" (@WS project, to propose, organize and operate
> the ".atlarge" ULD. That project obviously uses the SLD ".atlarge.ws" for
> immediate support and also supports the ".atlarge" TLD as part of the
> ICANN/ICP-3 compliant experimental dot-root project.
>
> This project will provide a free Internet name to every @large cell
> requesting it. It will be managed by the WG-@WS any of you can join. Its
> CIC (Community Information Center) address is http://atlarge.ws.
>
> Upon registration an "xyz" @large cell will get the following internet
> names supported:
> http://xyz.atlarge.ws xyz@large.ws and ---@xyz.atlarge.ws
> http://xyz.atlarge and ---@xyz.atlarge
> These internet names can be used as main or alias addresses.
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> Please see the CIC for examples.
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> 5. Site resources
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> We need to help the local cells to establish their own sites. The
> world@wide foundation can provide free or very low cost hosting
> of sites to
> the WG and local cells - including ftp dedicated access, mails
> and mailing
> lists. But it has not the management resources to organize that.
> It needs help.
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> 6. Aliases
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> It seems that a lot of misunderstandings on the @large name issue comes
> from a lack of command of the aliases. To understand better:
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> - domain names are very specific names of real properties (machines, disk
> space, IP addresses, server etc). They have been used in a confusing way.
> - Internet uses numbers (IP addresses) and names.
>
> Internet names are used by the DNS *and* by several other
> functions to get
> into a defined place.
> - DNS relates a name to a machine
> - Apache relates a name on a machine to a virtual host
> - sendmail etc.. relates a name on a machine to a mailbox into a
> mail directory
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> These systems accept aliases. This means that the same place may be
> accessed with different names. But that information has to be provided to
> the corresponding tool (DNS, Apache, sendmail).
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> The most common use of aliases is the "http://www.name.com"; and
> "http://name.com";. These are two different Internet names. To be
> supported
> that names MUST have been entered as aliases (or CNAME in DNS
> wording) both
> in the DNS and in Apache.
>
> This means that the *existing* site http://icannatlarge.com can be easily
> accessed as:
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> - http://worldatlarge.org
> - http://world.atlarge.ws
> - http://joanna.lane.co.uk
> - http://www.jeff.williams.tk
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> etc... as long as the IP of the server has been declared in the DNS for
> these names and their www.aliases and that these names have been
> entered in
> the host configuration as aliases. Joop could have made it supported for
> months. He asked for me to point icannatlarge.org to icannatlarge,com but
> never provide the IP and the response on his ability to accept it
> as an alias.
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> 7. organization management
>
> We obviously have an organization management problem. That problem is not
> the problem of our group; that problem is generic. We want to relate by
> mail between independent people and organizations and to take joint
> decisions, etc. while having people submitted to very strict financial
> limitations irt access and traffic. This cannot simply be done unless we
> design an appropriate tool. I think we are a unique group of various
> nations, cultures and competences to specify and test such a product. We
> however need a few designers to program it.
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>  >>> call for help
>
> With all this in mind I call for help. In order to :
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> - share in the WG-@WS working group to manage the ".atlarge" namespace.
> - share in a faq@atlarge site and mailing list to help the @large
> people to
> understand how to build the Internet presence of their cell
> - share in the specification and the development of a generic tool
> supporting our management. I suppose it should be written in C for the
> server site and in Java for a local applet.
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