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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Fw: "As for myself, I don't belong to any *party* with respect to ICANN/Bush/& MultinationalOilConsortitums." ?
I don't agree.
I believe polling is extremely important for the future of the At Large /
Internet User democracy.
If we believe in bottom up, we should not be afraid of polling on many
things, and letting ordinary members pose polling questions too. In a bottom
up organisation, it is essential that the individuals themselves determine
the direction of the organisation... NOT their representatives.
Illustration in real-life:
Only 16% of the British public want Iraq to be attacked without a United
Nations sanction.
Over 50% of the British public want NO attack on Iraq at all.
And yet their representatives (like Tony Blair) seem to reject these
opinions.
One of the central issues for the At Large is the democratic right of
ordinary internet users to determine the future and administration of the
DNS. In contrast to the ICANN Boards expulsion of the democratic element,
the At Large can demonstrate a truly bottom up way.
The issues of Polls is near to the heart of our relevant business.
Forget delegates who can forge their own agendas and be manipulated in
layers and layers of processes (and then be outvoted anyway by other
delegates).
Forget appointees who are supporting other people's agendas.
Poll the membership and you clarify exactly what the organisation wants on a
range of matters.
Either go along with the membership or forget it.
Richard H
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
To: Jkhan <Jkhan@MetroMgr.com>
Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Fw: "As for myself, I don't belong to any
*party* with respect to ICANN/Bush/& MultinationalOilConsortitums." ?
> James and all,
>
> This indeed an interesting poll and point I am sure. However what
> does it have to do with what ICANNATLARGE.ORG is supposed to
> be about? I am suggesting that perhaps this sort of thing should be
> taken off list or discussed on another forum...
>
> Jkhan wrote:
>
> > Subject: "As for myself, I don't belong to any *party* with respect to
> > ICANN/Bush/& MultinationalOilConsortitums." ?
> >
> > TIME for a Poll:
> >
> > TIME asks you: Why does the U.S. want to attack Iraq?
> >
> > ttp://www.time.com/time/europe/forecast2003/
> >
> > So TIME asks you: which country poses the greatest danger to world peace
in
> > 2003?
> >
> > http://www.time.com/time/europe/gdml/peace2003.html
> >
> > When our world seems to be falling apart, we cope by pretending it
isn't.
> > 2003 will be the year of escapism
> > http://www.time.com/time/europe/forecast2003/html/flyaway.html
> >
> > TO BE real ..or... NOT TO BE real ???
> > That is the Question.
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > From: "J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin" <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
> > > To: "Jkhan" <Jkhan@MetroMgr.com>; <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 2:26 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] "As for myself, I don't belong to any
> > *party*
> > > with respect to ICANN/Bush/& MultinationalOilConsortitums." ?
> > >
> > >
> > > > At 20:14 22/01/03, Jkhan wrote:
> > > > >Jeff, Judyth, & Jim,
> > > > >In this day & age, what does it matter if you are real or not. I'd
say
> > > > >50% of the Bush Administration isn't real, So I couldn't blame
anybody
> > > > >for not wanting to be 'real', besides, not being real has its
> > > > >advantages, ... there's no one to blame!
> > > >
> > > > Cybernetics (created by Californian Wiener) is the art of improvig
> > action
> > > > through models developed from feed-backs. Cyberspace is therefore a
> > place
> > > > you modelize in your brain from the feed backs of your testing. If
the
> > > > feed-backs tell you that someone is real because he helps you being
more
> > > > efficient you will credit him as real.
> > > >
> > > > The feed-back from the Bush administration tend to tell me they are
not
> > > > real. This because they focus on non real issues and get the
attention
> > of
> > > > the world on these non real issues (Iraq rusty barrel nuclear bombs)
> > > > instead of the real problems (Bin Ladden, Pakistan bombs, Korean
nuclear
> > > > program, Middle East peace, Chechens, etc.). They may have good
reasons
> > > for
> > > > that, but my cyberspace is muddy there. I am also worried because
they
> > > seem
> > > > to focus on cyberspace security (what may mean they really want to
mudd
> > us
> > > > there) and to start a cyberwarfare force (the first state terrorism
act
> > > was
> > > > by the USA spamming Iraq out of the net). Looks like a cybergame to
me,
> > > out
> > > > of perspective with the real situation of the world.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe someone could help in locking the White House XBoxes somewhere
> > > during
> > > > the working hours.
> > > > jfc
> > > >
> > > > PS. The second cybernetic founder was French Louis Coufignal. He was
the
> > > > one who made binary to be used (in anti-aircraft computers to kill
the
> > > > zeroes). He focused on cybernetics teaching. Something we should
care
> > > about
> > > > since the mad extension of these technics permit to motivate sucide
> > > > commandos (was already used during the WW II by Italian torpedo men
> > > against
> > > > the Brits) - self motivation by your own motivation feed-backs. May
be
> > > will
> > > > you want to remember that the first virus was found by an SF bank:
> > instead
> > > > of their programs they found a message asking them to call, for an
> > ransom,
> > > > a number in ...Pakestan. I would suggest we recall who invented
algebra.
> > > > Everything technical is not US patented.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> Regards,
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
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