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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Fw: "As for myself, I don't belong to any *party* with respect to ICANN/Bush/& MultinationalOilConsortitums." ?
Richard and all,
I respect your opinion, your right to have it and express it Richard.
I don't see what such a specific poll as James posted, has anything what
so ever to do with ICANNATLARGE.ORG as an organization
espousing to be representing stakeholders/users of the internet...
Richard Henderson wrote:
> I don't agree.
>
> I believe polling is extremely important for the future of the At Large /
> Internet User democracy.
>
> If we believe in bottom up, we should not be afraid of polling on many
> things, and letting ordinary members pose polling questions too. In a bottom
> up organisation, it is essential that the individuals themselves determine
> the direction of the organisation... NOT their representatives.
>
> Illustration in real-life:
>
> Only 16% of the British public want Iraq to be attacked without a United
> Nations sanction.
> Over 50% of the British public want NO attack on Iraq at all.
>
> And yet their representatives (like Tony Blair) seem to reject these
> opinions.
>
> One of the central issues for the At Large is the democratic right of
> ordinary internet users to determine the future and administration of the
> DNS. In contrast to the ICANN Boards expulsion of the democratic element,
> the At Large can demonstrate a truly bottom up way.
>
> The issues of Polls is near to the heart of our relevant business.
>
> Forget delegates who can forge their own agendas and be manipulated in
> layers and layers of processes (and then be outvoted anyway by other
> delegates).
>
> Forget appointees who are supporting other people's agendas.
>
> Poll the membership and you clarify exactly what the organisation wants on a
> range of matters.
>
> Either go along with the membership or forget it.
>
> Richard H
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> To: Jkhan <Jkhan@MetroMgr.com>
> Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Fw: "As for myself, I don't belong to any
> *party* with respect to ICANN/Bush/& MultinationalOilConsortitums." ?
>
> > James and all,
> >
> > This indeed an interesting poll and point I am sure. However what
> > does it have to do with what ICANNATLARGE.ORG is supposed to
> > be about? I am suggesting that perhaps this sort of thing should be
> > taken off list or discussed on another forum...
> >
> > Jkhan wrote:
> >
> > > Subject: "As for myself, I don't belong to any *party* with respect to
> > > ICANN/Bush/& MultinationalOilConsortitums." ?
> > >
> > > TIME for a Poll:
> > >
> > > TIME asks you: Why does the U.S. want to attack Iraq?
> > >
> > > ttp://www.time.com/time/europe/forecast2003/
> > >
> > > So TIME asks you: which country poses the greatest danger to world peace
> in
> > > 2003?
> > >
> > > http://www.time.com/time/europe/gdml/peace2003.html
> > >
> > > When our world seems to be falling apart, we cope by pretending it
> isn't.
> > > 2003 will be the year of escapism
> > > http://www.time.com/time/europe/forecast2003/html/flyaway.html
> > >
> > > TO BE real ..or... NOT TO BE real ???
> > > That is the Question.
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >
> > > > From: "J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin" <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
> > > > To: "Jkhan" <Jkhan@MetroMgr.com>; <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 2:26 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] "As for myself, I don't belong to any
> > > *party*
> > > > with respect to ICANN/Bush/& MultinationalOilConsortitums." ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > At 20:14 22/01/03, Jkhan wrote:
> > > > > >Jeff, Judyth, & Jim,
> > > > > >In this day & age, what does it matter if you are real or not. I'd
> say
> > > > > >50% of the Bush Administration isn't real, So I couldn't blame
> anybody
> > > > > >for not wanting to be 'real', besides, not being real has its
> > > > > >advantages, ... there's no one to blame!
> > > > >
> > > > > Cybernetics (created by Californian Wiener) is the art of improvig
> > > action
> > > > > through models developed from feed-backs. Cyberspace is therefore a
> > > place
> > > > > you modelize in your brain from the feed backs of your testing. If
> the
> > > > > feed-backs tell you that someone is real because he helps you being
> more
> > > > > efficient you will credit him as real.
> > > > >
> > > > > The feed-back from the Bush administration tend to tell me they are
> not
> > > > > real. This because they focus on non real issues and get the
> attention
> > > of
> > > > > the world on these non real issues (Iraq rusty barrel nuclear bombs)
> > > > > instead of the real problems (Bin Ladden, Pakistan bombs, Korean
> nuclear
> > > > > program, Middle East peace, Chechens, etc.). They may have good
> reasons
> > > > for
> > > > > that, but my cyberspace is muddy there. I am also worried because
> they
> > > > seem
> > > > > to focus on cyberspace security (what may mean they really want to
> mudd
> > > us
> > > > > there) and to start a cyberwarfare force (the first state terrorism
> act
> > > > was
> > > > > by the USA spamming Iraq out of the net). Looks like a cybergame to
> me,
> > > > out
> > > > > of perspective with the real situation of the world.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe someone could help in locking the White House XBoxes somewhere
> > > > during
> > > > > the working hours.
> > > > > jfc
> > > > >
> > > > > PS. The second cybernetic founder was French Louis Coufignal. He was
> the
> > > > > one who made binary to be used (in anti-aircraft computers to kill
> the
> > > > > zeroes). He focused on cybernetics teaching. Something we should
> care
> > > > about
> > > > > since the mad extension of these technics permit to motivate sucide
> > > > > commandos (was already used during the WW II by Italian torpedo men
> > > > against
> > > > > the Brits) - self motivation by your own motivation feed-backs. May
> be
> > > > will
> > > > > you want to remember that the first virus was found by an SF bank:
> > > instead
> > > > > of their programs they found a message asking them to call, for an
> > > ransom,
> > > > > a number in ...Pakestan. I would suggest we recall who invented
> algebra.
> > > > > Everything technical is not US patented.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
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