Re: [atlarge-discuss] WE WANT ELECTIONS NOT a COUP

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Judyth and all,

  I see that you are a supporter of censorship.  That is interesting to
learn,
and at the same time unfortunate and disgusting as well.  CENSORSHIP
IN ANY OF IT'S UGLY FORMS IS WRONG!  Therefor I sadly
withdraw my support and change my opinion as to your worthiness
and ethical fortitude to serve and a election Monitor.

  As again to your comments below regarding my supposed
disruption of this forum.  I would again accurately point out that
during the below mention or referenced posts to this forum that I did
post referencing INEGroup's activities, were done so as, and stated,
as examples of how funding and other needed tasks by a motivated
and focused group of individuals CAN be quite productive and
successful.  In addition no post on any open mailing list forum
could realistically be considered "Disruptive" as if you don't
wish to read a particular members or subscribers posts you only
need to hit your delete key or deploy a filter, of which many
such E-Mail filters are available, and many of those are free...

espresso@e-scape.net wrote:

> At 11:16 +0000 2003/02/22, Richard Henderson wrote:
> >My suggestion would be somewhat informal but would probably be
> >respectable
> >and trustworthy.
>
> I agree with Richard on this, too. (Rest of his message below.)
>
> Since I appear to have been classified as trustworthy in the
> recent poll and have no special desire to be a politician,
> I would gladly volunteer to be one of the independent
> ballot-counters.
>
> Please do let me know soon if you want me to do it, though, since
> I'd like to send the ballots to a separate e-mail address rather
> than risk bouncing some if a client decides to send me an
> exceptionally large attachment and clog up this mailbox.
>
> By the way, Jeff Williams wasn't quite accurate when he said:
> >>  Judyth, is very good at keeping people informed of ongoing events
> >>in other perhaps helpful other organizations for this fledgling
> >>organization, and may be a good Monitor for elections for this
> >>organization.  However as you recall she called for me to be
> >>banned from participating and basically accused all TEXANS
> >>as cowboys, which is ludicrous in the extreme.
> -- I wanted Jeff stopped from disrupting the work of this group
> with irrelevancies about INEGroup and demands that we raise a
> lot of money before deciding what we would do with it, not
> expelled as a member. His temporary suspension (however
> awkwardly implemented) seems to have had the desired effect and
> I'm very glad to see he has been posting more cogently since
> then.
>
> As for the remark about "cowboys" ... well, one of my
> brothers is a Texan, too, and I say that about him when he
> starts talking about reverting to the "Wild West" ethos as
> preferable to democracy and the rule of law. If there is
> anything Internet governance *doesn't* need, it's another
> bunch of self-interested bullies trying to run things their
> own way. This is NOT the "oil bidness". If this group is to
> become anything else, it needs democratic decision-making and
> an open structure before it starts purporting to represent anyone
> or demanding that other people finance it, so I stand by my remarks.
>
> Let me assure you that there is no room in my notion of
> democracy for ballot-box-stuffing or "pregnant chads", and that
> the idea of having three separate individuals count all ballots
> and publish their counts is a good means of ensuring that no
> fraud takes place as long as the counters are reasonably honest.
>
> You will also see shortly that my discussion draft of the
> membership section of possible bylaws makes it clear I want
> membership to be open to all individuals and expulsion from
> membership to be used rarely (if ever) and only after due
> process and for sound reasons.
>
> I don't know whether that's enough to overcome Jeff's objections
> to me but I'll leave it to the membership to decide who should
> and should not be trusted to do a fair count.
>
> Regards,
>
> Judyth
>
> >I suggest we appoint 3 trusted members to act as election overseers.
> >
> >I suggest the ballot (following nomination and statements period) is
> >sent
> >out to all members.
> >
> >I suggest the members are instructed to 'Reply All' and that the votes
> >are
> >thereby sent to all 3 trusted members.
> >
> >I suggest the 3 trusted overseers count up all the votes and check
> >together
> >to see that they agree on the results.
> >
> >I suggest the 3 trusted members publish the results.
> >
> >Admittedly, this process may not be attractive once we grow bigger,
> >but for
> >our present stage of development it would work, and that's what we
> >need. To
> >SIMPLY get the thing done.
>
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> Judyth Mermelstein     "cogito ergo lego ergo cogito..."
> Montreal, QC           <espresso@e-scape.net>
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> "A word to the wise is sufficient. For others, use more."
> "Un mot suffit aux sages; pour les autres, il en faut plus."
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Regards,
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Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 129k members/stakeholders strong!)
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