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[atlarge-discuss] Re: [ga] ALAC comments on proposed Bylaws modifications
Esther and all Former DNSO GA members or other interested parties,
I suppose it depends on who's definition of "Effective" is used or
considered. And yes Esther your are so right, as in you comment
regarding a small part of the world is waiting. I would say a
VERY small part! And just perhaps that is the problem. The
majority, or "Larger Part" of the world is NOT waiting, and
really cannot.
Esther Dyson wrote:
> Richard -
>
> Your own words create a challenge: Build a bottom-up, democratic,
> *effective* organization, and I am sure it will be recognized by ICANN and
> welcomed into a RALO where, yes, we (the ALAC) want the RALOs to define
> their own rules. (I wanted to say "I assure you" but I cannot, because I
> don't speak for ICANN and neither does Denise. Nor do we presume to speak
> for millions of users.) The RALO structures and their rules are not yet
> formed, and the ALAC is collecting feedback.
>
> The world (a small part of it, anyway!) is waiting.
>
> Esther
>
> At 08:49 AM 2/24/2003, Richard Henderson wrote:
> >You're exactly right, Joanna.
> >
> >ICANN could have written in one-person-one-vote to their RALOs as a
> >fundamental democratic condition, but they have chosen not to.
> >
> >Tell me (I address Denise) : if the first act of the RALOs is to demand (a)
> >one-person-one-vote (b) the right of the RALOs to choose their own leaders
> >and spokesperson and policies and ways of working... will ICANN accede?
> >
> >Who is actually running the RALOs: individual internet users or the ICANN
> >establishment?
> >
> >If ICANN genuinely wants internet users represented, then clearly each
> >internet user should be equally represented, through their own vote and
> >their own right to participate. If ICANN genuinely wants a "bottom up"
> >process, why do they construct a process which is dependent on nominations,
> >unelected delegates, and rules which they (ICANN) impose?
> >
> >This is not to me the "At Large".
> >
> >This is to me, ICANN creating another process which it can control.
> >
> >Surely, elected representatives of the At Large on the Board with voting
> >rights was a far more effective way of giving Internet Users power to
> >influence the way the DNS is administered. One person one vote is far more
> >credible.
> >
> >Why wasn't this fundamental democratic principle written into the ICANN
> >structure?
> >
> >Why does the constituency representing hundreds of millions of users get
> >about the same weighting (but very much less influence) as about 150
> >registrars who are basically exploiting a supply conduit for their own
> >profit (which I don't blame them for - everyone tries to make a living - but
> >why do they get so much disproportionate influence over a commodity which
> >belongs to hundreds of millions of people all over the world.
> >
> >The bottom line is that, ultimately, democracy and one member one vote,
> >implemented right up to Board level, would sweep away the power clique that
> >seeks to exploit its position for narrow vested interest.
> >
> >That is why the ICANN establishment had to EXPEL the elected Board members
> >who represented the huge majority. That's why the ALAC was initiated, to
> >minimise and contain the influence of the vast user constituency.
> >
> >What doesn't the ICANN Board understand about the word:
> >
> >DEMOCRACY ?
> >
> >yrs,
> >
> >Richard Henderson
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Joanna Lane <jo-uk@rcn.com>
> >To: Vittorio Bertola <vb@bertola.eu.org>
> >Cc: <ga@dnso.org>
> >Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:51 AM
> >Subject: RE: [ga] ALAC comments on proposed Bylaws modifications
> >
> >
> > > > From: Vittorio Bertola [mailto:vb@bertola.eu.org]
> > > > On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:44:54 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >"Any RALO must through its at-large
> > > > > structures or through direct membership, be open for
> > > > > participation of all individual Internet users who are
> > > > > citizens or residents of countries within the RALO's
> > > > > Geographic Region (as defined in Section 5 of Article VI)."
> > > > >
> > > > >Oh that's good. I get to join two RALO's and have a vote in both
> > > > regions.
> > > >
> > > > Better than having a vote in no region (the original language was
> > > > "citizens *and* residents").
> > > > --
> > > > vb.
> > >
> > > Vittorio,
> > > It gets better. As a member of ISOC, I would get another vote to add to my
> > > other two. Are there any other organizations I can join? (I'd like to have
> > > as many votes as possible). Whatever happened to the principle of one
> >person
> > > one vote, or is that just too much to ask?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Joanna
> > >
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