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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Thawte certificate... WoT
Dear Jefsey:
The idea of using a credit card or check to authenticate membership identity
is a good one. It need only be for a small amount, pennies even. When one
applies for a PayPal account, PayPal sends two payments of a few pennies
each to one's bank account to verify its authenticity. The new client
reports the amount deposited, and this is accepted as proof of identity.
Surely this is at least as good as the complex and expensive methodology
used by Thawte.
The value of the Thawte certificate is that it can be used many times once
it is established. The ID check that we are asking for is only good for our
purposes. On the other hand, why don't we list a number of acceptable ID
checks that would include a Thawte certificate, a credit card payment of a
small sum, a check for the same amount, a PayPal payment, or any other
similar system?
All we are asking is for proof that the named person exists. It is not fool
proof and it certainly does not preclude a person having multiple accounts
in different names (or multiple Thawte certificates for that matter) but it
should be close enough for our needs.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin" <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
To: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Thawte certificate... WoT
> Dear Sotiris,
> the problem is only the cost ratio and simplicity. You can have the same
> degree of trust for what we need through a certified payment by check or
> credit card of a small amount. Various solutions could be accepted. Just
> remember that we have people from every country with different cultures
and
> usages.
>
> But I agree with you: we need a serious membership. But we also have to
> deliver more than blahblah about our own charter. I think we should also
be
> able to "sell" the opinons of our membership as a significant panel for
> market studies of peole involved - an unique way for us all to influence
> the reality of the network technolgy in advising that way the
manufacturers.
> jfc
>
>
>
>
>
> On 19:23 27/04/03, Sotiris Sotiropoulos said:
>
> >So what? It's not like there's no value for your money in it... you end
up
> >with a digital cert! The fact that some people champion the idea that all
> >you need is an email address to be part of this organization is
indicative
> >of a serious organizational legitimacy flaw.
> >
> >All we need to do is take the Internet Society as our model. After all,
> >it takes quite a bit more than simply an email address to join ISOC...
> >How inclusive is ISOC? Yet, they are a recognized participant in the
> >ICANN atlarge sham.... Why? It's simple, they have real members! They
> >can vouchsafe the existence of their membership! We cannot, and we think
> >that ICANN or anyone else is going to seriously consider our ragtag
eforts
> >without a means of identity verification being instituted? Think again.
> >
> >Wake up, folks!
> >
> >-Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> >
> >Eric Dierker wrote:
> >
> >>How so that this be painless,
> >>I understand a CPA, Attorney and/or bank manager charges for such things
> >>as you sugggest.
> >>
> >>Perhaps you could explain further?
> >>
> >>e
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>When you request a freemail certificate from Thawte, they send you the
> >>>following message:
> >>>
> >>>HOW TO GET YOUR NAME IN YOUR CERT:
> >>>Your certificate will not contain your name, because we have no basis
> >>>to know that you are who you say you are. If you want to get your name
> >>>into your certificate there are currently two different ways to do so:
> >>>
> >>>1. Trusted Third Parties
> >>> If you follow this process, you will be obligated to become a Web
> >>> of Trust Notary (see note 2, for more information).
> >>> If you know or can find any two of the following:
> >>> (a) a CPA
> >>> (b) a practicing Attorney
> >>> (c) a Bank Manager
> >>> Then you can ask them to certify your identity to Thawte. More
> >>> information about this is available on the following page:
> >>> http://www.thawte.com/html/COMMUNITY/wot/ttp.html
> >>>
> >>>2. Web of Trust
> >>> You can try to find a Web of Trust notary in the Directory of
> >>> Notaries. Visit that notary with a copy of your identity documents,
and
> >>>you will be notarized up to 35 points. You need 50 points to get your
> >>>name in your certs, and 100 points to become a notary yourself. The
> >>>Directory is online at
> >>>https://www.thawte.com/cgi/personal/wot/directory.exe
> >>>
> >>>If you go through one of these processes you will be able to put your
> >>>name into any of your certificates!
> >>>
> >>>----------------
> >>>It's real easy folks, quite painless too...
> >>>
> >>>Also, I must underscore the point that there are Web of Trust notaries
> >>>available from Antarctica to Zimbabwe and most places in between:
> >>>https://www.thawte.com/cgi/personal/wot/directory.exe
> >>>
> >>>It's time we set about legitimzing our organization and we cannot wait
> >>>for the perfect solution, because that will probably never become
> >>>available. We must try something more than what we've tried to-date
> >>>(which is nothing!). I doubt very much that there's a single person
> >>>who is subscribed as a member of our organization who cannot fulfil
> >>>one of the two options above to acquire a Thawte certificate.
> >>>
> >>>Be Well,
> >>>
> >>>Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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