Re: [atlarge-discuss] My Candidacy Information

["Ron Sherwood" <sherwood@islands.vi>]

My goodness, Sotiris... have you been taking lessons from Jeff Williams?

How could you move so readily from being our respected leader to become a
sad purveyor of vituperous rhetoric.

When I wrote in the first person plural, it was because I felt that I am as
responsible as any of the membership that ran for office or elected the
panel...  and that responsibility carries with it the burden of our abject
failure to achieve any of our stated goals.  Unlike you, I was not claiming
any credit for work or effort or achievement.

Please stop attacking everyone in sight and work with the good people who
are eager to succeed this time around.

Ron

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
To: "Ron Sherwood" <sherwood@islands.vi>
Cc: "IAL" <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] My Candidacy Information


>
>
> Ron Sherwood wrote:
>
> >Dear Sotiris:
> >
> >No one is questioning your experience or the work that you have done on
> >behalf of the @large community.  However, if you expect the rest of the
> >world to be represented here by persons with only your experience and
> >history, you will end up with a panel of one.
> >
>
> That's a flat out lie.
>
> >Dictatorship may work from
> >your perspective, but that is not what I understand our goal to be.
> >
>
> Ah the stock label "dictator"... hmm, how typical.  Yet, when have I
> been in the position of actual dictator, I wonder?  Please point it out.
>  "Ron" if that's your name, I have to laugh at your "observations",
> because you have absolutely nothing to show in the way of any WORK
> produced by yourself (directly or indirectly) vis a vis ICANN,  and yet
> you somehow believe your opinion counts only because you can vote!!!  LOL
>
> >
> >Your totally negative attitude towards anyone who does not do things your
> >way, or whom you don't think worthy of your support, is counter
productive
> >to our cause.
> >
>
> Oh? and what "cause" is that exactly, "Ron"?
>
> >Also you are setting a very bad example when you bring the
> >level of discourse down to one of shouting abuse at anyone of whom you
> >disapprove.
> >
>
> Shouting abuse?  Bringing down the level of discourse?  How?  When?
>  Prove it.
>
> >
> >Please remember that democracy works better when diplomacy is involved.
The
> >iron fist is far more effective when clothed in the velvet glove. Surely
it
> >is in our best interests to have skilled and experienced members, like
you,
> >gain the trust and respect of those they should be representing.  Your
> >attitude recently has done little to engender that respect, but rather
will
> >cause you lose the votes that you would otherwise gain.  Many people are
> >tired of the un-called for, and vulgar, attacks that are such a turn-off
on
> >this list.  It is a shame that you have lowered your standards so much
that
> >you are now one of the perpetrators of this distasteful and destructive
> >practice.
> >
>
> Prove it.  Show us all some substance of my "vulgar attacks"... let's
> see the messages you're referring to, "Ron".  Othewise, your charges are
> meaningless.  Do you hope to smudge me with nothing but smoke?
>
> >
> >Because I do not want this third attempt at a Panel to be destroyed by
such
> >anti-social and destructive behavior, you have lost my vote.
> >
>
> Why don't you save us the suspense and tell us all who you will and
> won't be voting for overall, "Ron"?  What need for a secret ballot for
> the likes of you?  But, I bet you'd be the first to cry bloody murder at
> the idea of an open onlist vote, right "Ron"?  Spare us the indignant
> retorts.
>
> --Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>
> --
> -----------
>
> "The science of jurisprudence regards the state and power as the
> ancients regarded fire- namely, as something existing absolutely.
> But for history, the state and power are merely phenomena, just as for
> modern physics fire is not an element but a phenomenon.
>
> From this fundamental difference between the view held by history
> and that held by jurisprudence, it follows that jurisprudence can tell
> minutely how in its opinion power should be constituted and what
> power- existing immutably outside time- is, but to history's questions
> about the meaning of the mutations of power in time it can answer
> nothing."
>      --Leo Tolstoy, "War and Peace"
>
>
>
>
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