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RE: [atlarge-discuss] méthodes de travail normales
Dear Jeff,
I have never communicated in another language that English. Only when
Sotiris attacked me, I responded 1 or 2 times in Spanish.
The beginning point was the concern of Sotiris for my bad writing in
English. Something that is very certain, but additionally to those comments
other considerations were added that considered them revolting and very
offensive.
To a certain extent we have clarified the differences better with Sotiris, I
hope to be able to works with a lot of pleasure with him in a team.
greetings
Mauro. -
-----Mensaje original-----
De: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
Enviado el: Martes, 27 de Mayo de 2003 06:17 p.m.
Para: Ron Sherwood
CC: Sotiris Sotiropoulos; Jeff Holt; 'A/S Mauro D. Ríos'; 'atlarge
discuss list'; 'J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin'
Asunto: Re: [atlarge-discuss] méthodes de travail normales
Ron and all fellow members,
I think you misunderstood Sotiris's concern. It was not with
Jefsey's command of the english languageorlack there of, rather
his concern was and is with the fact that a candidate
A/S Mauro D. Ríos, cannot communicate in English
and does not wish to provide a english translation of
his posts or communication what so ever. This would
make A/S Mauro D. Ríos an ineffective future panel
member as Sotiris contends, IMHO as well.
Ron Sherwood wrote:
> Sotiris:
>
> You wrote:
> > I am not berating anyone for speaking/writing another language. I am
> > questioning the ability of anyone who doesn't have a firm grasp of
> > English to communicate effectively and succintly as a panel member of
> > this organization.
>
> Sotiris, you made it very clear that you are not happy with Jefsey's
command
> of the English language, yet I fear that without Jefsey's will to overcome
> this constraint despite the ridicule with which you have attempted to
clothe
> him, we would not even have the momentum that we have now. I applaud his
> will, his ability to resist your barbs, and his courage in this effort to
> get a new group of people to move our @Large organization forward. I
cannot
> accept your reasoning that only you, and your choice of candidates, is
good
> enough to become the Panel. If you are not prepared to work with the best
> that we can find, simply because it will mean a little extra effort on
your
> part to communicate with others, then you are the wrong person for the
job.
>
> We all wish that there were a hundred top notch, multi-lingual candidates
> vying for a place on the Panel... but there are not. Some of us believe
> that the antics and the attitudes of previous panel members are, in large
> part, responsible for that state of affairs. However, we have to move
> forward with what we have now. Please recognize that your experience,
your
> visibility and your belief in the need for (and the future of) @large
> representation, make you the hands down favorite for top vote getter.
That
> does not give you the right to dictate who is elected... It does, however,
> give you the responsibility of doing everything possible to work with the
> other elected Panelists. That will probably mean that you have to hone
your
> exceptional language skills so that you can communicate well with each of
> the Panelist. I am glad that you have those skills, but I am concerned
that
> you will allow your demonstrated antipathy override your responsibilities.
>
> Please say it is not so.
>
> Ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
> To: "Jeff Holt" <jefftttt@txucom.net>
> Cc: "'A/S Mauro D. Ríos'" <mdrios@adinet.com.uy>; "'atlarge discuss list'"
> <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>; "'J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin'"
> <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] méthodes de travail normales
>
> >
> >
> > Jeff Holt wrote:
> >
> > >Sotiris,
> > >
> > >Why are you clouding this issue? To what purpose pointing out the
> > >deficiencies of the list software? These are considerations better
left
> > >to future organizational efforts AFTER the organization becomes a REAL
> > >entity.
> > >
> > >Each of the individuals knows that English is the default lingua franca
> > >and have only begun using their native languages after being derided by
> > >some with attitudes about what is "proper" grammar. Berating someone
> > >for making the attempt to use English is hardly a positive
contribution,
> > >be thankful they at least do try. It sure beats the heck out of
> > >whatever I or many others could do in the way of writing French or
> > >Spanish or even Greek for that matter.
> > >
> >
> > I am not berating anyone for speaking/writing another language. I am
> > questioning the ability of anyone who doesn't have a firm grasp of
> > English to communicate effectively and succintly as a panel member of
> > this organization.
> >
> > --Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> >
> >
> >
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Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders strong!)
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