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Re: [atlarge-discuss] méthodes de travail normales
A/S Mauro and all fellow members,
Now I know you are not being honest or accurate.
See: http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0305/msg00915.html
and you were responding to Jefsey not sotiris. But I believe
that in part Sotiris may have also been directing his concern
towards Ivonne as well.
A/S Mauro D. Ríos wrote:
> Dear Jeff,
>
> I have never communicated in another language that English. Only when
> Sotiris attacked me, I responded 1 or 2 times in Spanish.
>
> The beginning point was the concern of Sotiris for my bad writing in
> English. Something that is very certain, but additionally to those comments
> other considerations were added that considered them revolting and very
> offensive.
>
> To a certain extent we have clarified the differences better with Sotiris, I
> hope to be able to works with a lot of pleasure with him in a team.
>
> greetings
> Mauro. -
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> Enviado el: Martes, 27 de Mayo de 2003 06:17 p.m.
> Para: Ron Sherwood
> CC: Sotiris Sotiropoulos; Jeff Holt; 'A/S Mauro D. Ríos'; 'atlarge
> discuss list'; 'J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin'
> Asunto: Re: [atlarge-discuss] méthodes de travail normales
>
> Ron and all fellow members,
>
> I think you misunderstood Sotiris's concern. It was not with
> Jefsey's command of the english languageorlack there of, rather
> his concern was and is with the fact that a candidate
> A/S Mauro D. Ríos, cannot communicate in English
> and does not wish to provide a english translation of
> his posts or communication what so ever. This would
> make A/S Mauro D. Ríos an ineffective future panel
> member as Sotiris contends, IMHO as well.
>
> Ron Sherwood wrote:
>
> > Sotiris:
> >
> > You wrote:
> > > I am not berating anyone for speaking/writing another language. I am
> > > questioning the ability of anyone who doesn't have a firm grasp of
> > > English to communicate effectively and succintly as a panel member of
> > > this organization.
> >
> > Sotiris, you made it very clear that you are not happy with Jefsey's
> command
> > of the English language, yet I fear that without Jefsey's will to overcome
> > this constraint despite the ridicule with which you have attempted to
> clothe
> > him, we would not even have the momentum that we have now. I applaud his
> > will, his ability to resist your barbs, and his courage in this effort to
> > get a new group of people to move our @Large organization forward. I
> cannot
> > accept your reasoning that only you, and your choice of candidates, is
> good
> > enough to become the Panel. If you are not prepared to work with the best
> > that we can find, simply because it will mean a little extra effort on
> your
> > part to communicate with others, then you are the wrong person for the
> job.
> >
> > We all wish that there were a hundred top notch, multi-lingual candidates
> > vying for a place on the Panel... but there are not. Some of us believe
> > that the antics and the attitudes of previous panel members are, in large
> > part, responsible for that state of affairs. However, we have to move
> > forward with what we have now. Please recognize that your experience,
> your
> > visibility and your belief in the need for (and the future of) @large
> > representation, make you the hands down favorite for top vote getter.
> That
> > does not give you the right to dictate who is elected... It does, however,
> > give you the responsibility of doing everything possible to work with the
> > other elected Panelists. That will probably mean that you have to hone
> your
> > exceptional language skills so that you can communicate well with each of
> > the Panelist. I am glad that you have those skills, but I am concerned
> that
> > you will allow your demonstrated antipathy override your responsibilities.
> >
> > Please say it is not so.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
> > To: "Jeff Holt" <jefftttt@txucom.net>
> > Cc: "'A/S Mauro D. Ríos'" <mdrios@adinet.com.uy>; "'atlarge discuss list'"
> > <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>; "'J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin'"
> > <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] méthodes de travail normales
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jeff Holt wrote:
> > >
> > > >Sotiris,
> > > >
> > > >Why are you clouding this issue? To what purpose pointing out the
> > > >deficiencies of the list software? These are considerations better
> left
> > > >to future organizational efforts AFTER the organization becomes a REAL
> > > >entity.
> > > >
> > > >Each of the individuals knows that English is the default lingua franca
> > > >and have only begun using their native languages after being derided by
> > > >some with attitudes about what is "proper" grammar. Berating someone
> > > >for making the attempt to use English is hardly a positive
> contribution,
> > > >be thankful they at least do try. It sure beats the heck out of
> > > >whatever I or many others could do in the way of writing French or
> > > >Spanish or even Greek for that matter.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I am not berating anyone for speaking/writing another language. I am
> > > questioning the ability of anyone who doesn't have a firm grasp of
> > > English to communicate effectively and succintly as a panel member of
> > > this organization.
> > >
> > > --Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> Regards,
>
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders strong!)
> "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
> Pierre Abelard
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Jeffrey A. Williams
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