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Re: [atlarge-discuss] méthodes de travail normales
Golbert and all fellow members,
No one that I can recall is discouraging A/S Mauro D. Ríos participation
that I have seen thus far. But several members to include myself
have Encouraged A/S Mauro D. Ríos to post his comments in
English or provide and english translation. As translation software
is available for a nominal fee/cost to do so, and the fact the English
is the predominant language of the membership here, such a
request or requirement would only be reasonable and to many
expectable. Hence Gilbert, as you are seemingly a new member or
new to this forum, perhaps it would be a good idea to reflect
your discourse in a manner that is accurate in the future.
Thank you for your cooperation in advance Gilbert.
Gilbert Estillore Lumantao wrote:
> mauro,
>
> i support your views. you represent what i believe @large should be. i see in your posts respect for the opinion of others, sensitivity to the needs of the many internet users out there who are not native-english speakers, and courage, despite the fact that many flags have been waved to discourage your participation.
>
> i remember there was the issue of "experience" or "being with the group for some time" which to me seems to translate to having been active in the mailing list before you have accepted nomination. then there was the "paypal" requirement. i'm lucky they did not ask it from me because my internet use have so far not involved using a paypal account, whatever that is. as for now, the only pal i know is philippine airlines. they actually even requested people to use the account by sending a dollar. the absurdity of it all is that we seek to organize many internet users who in most likelihood have not heard of paypal.
>
> now someone is waving the flag of english language. first, i have to say your posts have been understandable enough for me. i come from a country where, even though english is a medium of instruction, kids grow up speaking filipino dialects (at least most of us). we are particularly fond of our "carabao" english. to hear someone in this group say that you cannot even think of "leading" just because your english (or so he says) is not understandable enough for him is disheartening. again, we come back to the fact that this organization does not seek to involve and/or represent only internet users of the likes of him, but also internet users from our own parts of the world.
>
> to say that english has been the language of discussions in icann is incorrect. i have been to two icann sessions and i quite clearly remember that spanish speaking directors many a times opted to speak in spanish during the meetings and the rest of the people in attendance did not quite mind. even if the claim is correct, we all know that should not be. Of all organizations related with icann, @large should be the most concerned in correcting that.
>
> the issue of legitimacy was also raised. if i understand it correctly, they are saying that @large will not be able to achieve legitimacy if its going to be led by "relative unknowns". forgotten is the fact that @large, with all the "expertise" of the pioneers here have and with all the "time and effort" they have exerted, can never achieve legitimacy without the meaningful and substantial participation of internet users from all parts of the globe. surprising as it may seem, people have been busy in discouraging such participation.
>
> you have my vote. i am sorry i voted also for people who, after a few posts, i realized are incapable of working with you. or better yet, incapable of working in an @large deserving of its name and purpose.
>
> gilbert
>
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>
> --------- Original Message ---------
>
> DATE: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:13:15
> From: "Ron Sherwood" <sherwood@islands.vi>
> To: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>,"Jeff Holt" <jefftttt@txucom.net>
> Cc: "'A/S Mauro D. Ríos'" <mdrios@adinet.com.uy>,"'atlarge discuss list'" <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>,"'J-F C. \(Jefsey\) Morfin'" <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
>
> >Sotiris:
> >
> >You wrote:
> >> I am not berating anyone for speaking/writing another language. I am
> >> questioning the ability of anyone who doesn't have a firm grasp of
> >> English to communicate effectively and succintly as a panel member of
> >> this organization.
> >
> >Sotiris, you made it very clear that you are not happy with Jefsey's command
> >of the English language, yet I fear that without Jefsey's will to overcome
> >this constraint despite the ridicule with which you have attempted to clothe
> >him, we would not even have the momentum that we have now. I applaud his
> >will, his ability to resist your barbs, and his courage in this effort to
> >get a new group of people to move our @Large organization forward. I cannot
> >accept your reasoning that only you, and your choice of candidates, is good
> >enough to become the Panel. If you are not prepared to work with the best
> >that we can find, simply because it will mean a little extra effort on your
> >part to communicate with others, then you are the wrong person for the job.
> >
> >We all wish that there were a hundred top notch, multi-lingual candidates
> >vying for a place on the Panel... but there are not. Some of us believe
> >that the antics and the attitudes of previous panel members are, in large
> >part, responsible for that state of affairs. However, we have to move
> >forward with what we have now. Please recognize that your experience, your
> >visibility and your belief in the need for (and the future of) @large
> >representation, make you the hands down favorite for top vote getter. That
> >does not give you the right to dictate who is elected... It does, however,
> >give you the responsibility of doing everything possible to work with the
> >other elected Panelists. That will probably mean that you have to hone your
> >exceptional language skills so that you can communicate well with each of
> >the Panelist. I am glad that you have those skills, but I am concerned that
> >you will allow your demonstrated antipathy override your responsibilities.
> >
> >Please say it is not so.
> >
> >Ron
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
> >To: "Jeff Holt" <jefftttt@txucom.net>
> >Cc: "'A/S Mauro D. Ríos'" <mdrios@adinet.com.uy>; "'atlarge discuss list'"
> ><atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>; "'J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin'"
> ><jefsey@club-internet.fr>
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:35 PM
> >Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] méthodes de travail normales
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Jeff Holt wrote:
> >>
> >> >Sotiris,
> >> >
> >> >Why are you clouding this issue? To what purpose pointing out the
> >> >deficiencies of the list software? These are considerations better left
> >> >to future organizational efforts AFTER the organization becomes a REAL
> >> >entity.
> >> >
> >> >Each of the individuals knows that English is the default lingua franca
> >> >and have only begun using their native languages after being derided by
> >> >some with attitudes about what is "proper" grammar. Berating someone
> >> >for making the attempt to use English is hardly a positive contribution,
> >> >be thankful they at least do try. It sure beats the heck out of
> >> >whatever I or many others could do in the way of writing French or
> >> >Spanish or even Greek for that matter.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I am not berating anyone for speaking/writing another language. I am
> >> questioning the ability of anyone who doesn't have a firm grasp of
> >> English to communicate effectively and succintly as a panel member of
> >> this organization.
> >>
> >> --Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> >>
> >>
> >>
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