Re: [atlarge-discuss] méthodes de travail normales

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Ron and all fellow members,

  I think you misunderstood Sotiris's concern.  It was not with
Jefsey's command of the english languageorlack there of, rather
his concern was and is with the fact that a candidate
A/S Mauro D. Ríos, cannot communicate in English
and does not wish to provide a english translation of
his posts or communication what so ever.  This would
make A/S Mauro D. Ríos an ineffective future panel
member as Sotiris contends,  IMHO as well.

Ron Sherwood wrote:

> Sotiris:
>
> You wrote:
> > I am not berating anyone for speaking/writing another language.  I am
> > questioning the ability of anyone who doesn't have a firm grasp of
> > English to communicate effectively and succintly as a panel member of
> > this organization.
>
> Sotiris, you made it very clear that you are not happy with Jefsey's command
> of the English language, yet I fear that without Jefsey's will to overcome
> this constraint despite the ridicule with which you have attempted to clothe
> him, we would not even have the momentum that we have now.  I applaud his
> will, his ability to resist your barbs, and his courage in this effort to
> get a new group of people to move our @Large organization forward.  I cannot
> accept your reasoning that only you, and your choice of candidates, is good
> enough to become the Panel.  If you are not prepared to work with the best
> that we can find, simply because it will mean a little extra effort on your
> part to communicate with others, then you are the wrong person for the job.
>
> We all wish that there were a hundred top notch, multi-lingual candidates
> vying for a place on the Panel... but there are not.  Some of us believe
> that the antics and the attitudes of previous panel members are, in large
> part, responsible for that state of affairs.  However, we have to move
> forward with what we have now.  Please recognize that your experience, your
> visibility and your belief in the need for (and the future of) @large
> representation, make you the hands down favorite for top vote getter.  That
> does not give you the right to dictate who is elected... It does, however,
> give you the responsibility of doing everything possible to work with the
> other elected Panelists.  That will probably mean that you have to hone your
> exceptional language skills so that you can communicate well with each of
> the Panelist.  I am glad that you have those skills, but I am concerned that
> you will allow your demonstrated antipathy override your responsibilities.
>
> Please say it is not so.
>
> Ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
> To: "Jeff Holt" <jefftttt@txucom.net>
> Cc: "'A/S Mauro D. Ríos'" <mdrios@adinet.com.uy>; "'atlarge discuss list'"
> <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>; "'J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin'"
> <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] méthodes de travail normales
>
> >
> >
> > Jeff Holt wrote:
> >
> > >Sotiris,
> > >
> > >Why are you clouding this issue?   To what purpose pointing out the
> > >deficiencies of the list software?  These are considerations better left
> > >to future organizational efforts AFTER the organization becomes a REAL
> > >entity.
> > >
> > >Each of the individuals knows that English is the default lingua franca
> > >and have only begun using their native languages after being derided by
> > >some with attitudes about what is "proper" grammar.  Berating someone
> > >for making the attempt to use English is hardly a positive contribution,
> > >be thankful they at least do try.  It sure beats the heck out of
> > >whatever I or many others could do in the way of writing French or
> > >Spanish or even Greek for that matter.
> > >
> >
> > I am not berating anyone for speaking/writing another language.  I am
> > questioning the ability of anyone who doesn't have a firm grasp of
> > English to communicate effectively and succintly as a panel member of
> > this organization.
> >
> > --Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> >
> >
> >
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