Re: [atlarge-discuss] Off to a bad start

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Joanna and all stakeholders of interested parties,

  You did outline a pretty good method by which to proceed
with this election, Joanna.  However unless or until the Charter
is also no the ballot as well, there will likely be infighting
and trouble that will tie up allot of time later.  So I would
suggest some alternative independent Charter proposals
to be ready ASAP as well.

  I have already taken the time and liberty in a post in response
to Joop earlier this evening, some broad ideas that can be considered
for a Charter.

Joanna Lane wrote:

> > 1.Who was the email list for the entire list of members?
>
> Joop and whomsoever he escrows the data, Vittorio included. This is the way
> to proceed:-
>
> 1. the Voter registration is suspended for the purposes of the election at
> any time (as per VB's schedule of July 15th if you like). New people can
> continue to join after that, but will not be allowed to vote in this
> election.
> 2. Joop publishes the Voter List on the website and at the same time,
> provides email contact addresses to the Secretariat so the announce message
> can be sent out.
> 2. The Interim Panel sends the approved election document to the Secretariat
> with a formal request to forward the Announcement to the Voter list.
>
> > 2.  Can the announcement be sent out to the entire list?
>
> Yes, see above. It would normally be done by the Secretariat. Elisabeth has
> confirmed that she is ready willing and able to assist, but equally, this
> job can be done by Joop, Vittorio, or any of those with data escrow details
> for the membership.
>
> > 3.  Can the date for nominates be extended?  At least until thursday?
>
> VB has failed to send an announcement to the membership so far, yet insists
> the election proceeds to close Nominations on Monday. This means that the
> first thing 90% of the electorate will learn about this election by receipt
> of a ballot paper asking them to vote for candidates nominated and seconded
> in a process in which they have been excluded.
>
> I'm really not trying to be difficult, I know it's important to go ahead -
> but it's bad enough the Panel has agreed to tie the election into an
> illconceived Charter on which the membership has not been consulted, but it
> would be a disaster to exclude 90% of the electorate from the nomination
> process, replacing democracy in action with some quasi nominating committee
> drawn from the two mailing lists.
>
> Regards,
> Joanna
> >
> > Jamie
> >
> >
> >
> > > Vittorio wrote:
> > > [snip]
> > >> I have sent a first announcement of the elections to this list and to
> > >> the GA list on July 6 - [....]> It seems to me that deadlines have
> > >> been
> > > published and stated quite
> > >> clearly. But I will now resend the charter in a separate message so
> > >> that nobody will miss it.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Sending a post to some 10% of the electorate subscribed to this list or
> > > the membership of a completely different organization (DNSO)does not
> > > satisfy the requirement that you inform the electorate that an election
> > > has commenced.
> > >
> > > EVERYBODY who signed up to the AtLarge.com website HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW
> > > this election has commenced, not just your cronies.
> > >
> > > I do not have time to argue endlessly with you. You are being
> > > obstructive.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Joanna
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0207/msg00055.html
> > >>
> > >> On July 8 I have also confirmed to you and to the list that everything
> > >> should proceed according to the charter that was attached to that
> > >> message:
> > >>
> > >> http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0207/msg00083.html
> > >>
> > >> And I know that there have been many discussion about some wording in
> > >> the charter... I can only say that if we want to meet very tight
> > >> deadlines we do not have so much time to spend on the charter; I am
> > >> sure that each of us would have suggestions or requests to amend some
> > >> parts of it, but we thought we should rather proceed and focus on
> > >> other issues, and this is why we basically took the last elections'
> > >> charter and changed only the necessary parts.
> > >>
> > >> However, the charter is not meant to limit the freedom of action of
> > >> the next panel.
> > >>
> > >> >Please provide a record of the Vote cast by each of the Interim Panel
> > >> >Members to approve your Charter together with a copy of the
> > >> Charter to this
> > >> >list.
> > >>
> > >> The copy is already there in the aforementioned message, and it has
> > >> been approved by the whole panel. Votes are recorded on the
> > >> atlarge-panel mailing list, which is publicly archived at
> > >> http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-panel/ . I hope that this is what you
> > >> wanted to get.
> > >>
> > >> >Also, who is setting up the Watchdogs mailing list and public
> > >> archive, you
> > >> >or Elisabeth?
> > >>
> > >> Come on, we are trying to set up an election in two weeks for an
> > >> informal group without any resources - do you really need a mailing
> > >> list for communication in a group of four persons which will last less
> > >> than one month? To make your messages public, it is enough if you copy
> > >> them to this list.
> > >> --
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