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Re: [atlarge-discuss] 006 Deciding Name...
Please ask Danny for input,
He already built such a site. (as an aside he was roundly criticized for it for
other reasons) But he is a very good man and am sure he would lend the work
already created.
Eric
Richard Henderson wrote:
> I think that Jefsey's proposal is so intuitive that we would be mistaken not
> to go along with it. I think his proposal encapsulates the kind of
> de-centralised organisation we want, while also giving it a central point of
> reference: www.worldatlarge.org
>
> One click from there > to any country's site, and all conveniently addressed
> (though obviously, links can extend outside the main address as well). And a
> great way of involving many local webmasters and giving website ownership to
> the people on the ground.
>
> I strongly back this proposal, and also the use of worldatlarge (though I
> realise that debate is not yet concluded)
>
> I think it's intuitive
>
> Richard
>
> PS : WG-OUTREACH mail going out tonight - I'm just working on it now
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
> To: Judith Oppenheimer <joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com>; 'Joop Teernstra'
> <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>; <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 1:09 AM
> Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] 006 Deciding Name...
>
> > At 22:41 14/08/02, Judith Oppenheimer wrote:
> > >The multitude of names I find very confusing. Were I an internet user
> > >contemplating joining this organization, I'd expect it to have *a* name.
> >
> > Dear Judith,
> > If I gave you this feeling I was wrong. The organization has one name
> > http://worldatlarge.com and I hope that Sotiris proceeds quickly with it
> as
> > the owner of the site and its webmaster.
> >
> > Now, we will work by WG and local units. Each of them will have a site,
> > because each of them must load its pages and for that to have a keyword.
> > There are two solutions.
> >
> > - either they chose names by their own no one will rember and find back,
> > with a very low PR impact
> > - or we allocate them a sub adress consistent with the names we already
> have/
> > - we have worldatlarge.org, you have added internetatlarge.org,
> > currently the site is icannatlarge.com
> > - we then put some order and people clearly understand what we do as
> > soon as we have atlarge.org
> > - the worldatlarge.org alliases with wold.atlarge.org. They target to
> > the same page
> > - all the national sites are then http://nation.atlarge.org on 189
> > machines, by 189 webmasters if you want. Easy to find them.
> > - we have working groups on ICANN, ccTLDs, etc.. they whare the
> > webmaster or have their own webmaster (do not think the we will have one
> > single webmaster and 100.000 members). their address will be
> > http://icann.atlarge.org (and the existing http://icannatalrge.com/org
> will
> > alias with it so people used to the old site do not get confused).
> >
> > >Not a different name for every day of the week and time zone.
> > >I don't mean to be flip, but from a branding POV it makes no sense.
> > >In addition, *you* think IETF; ICANN, NTIA, etc. for internet governance.
> > >(a) Do you think John Q. Online Public is familiar with these names?
> >
> > The person who wants to get http://ietf.atlarge.org is the person who want
> > to go to the WG-IETF if there is one. John Doe will not go there (unless
> he
> > follows a link). There is nothing special. Just normal large site
> management.
> >
> > >and (b) Which one of these entities represents internet governance by and
> > >for the people?
> >
> > The internet gouvernance is ICANN, NTIA, GAC... Sorry, I do not understand
> > what you mean. Our organization is wlrold@large, part of the governance.
> If
> > they want to contect us they go on http://worldatlarge.org - there they
> > find the many they want, to the pages maintained by SOtiris and to the
> > pages maintained on their own sub-website by the different WG/units.
> >
> > You have registered http://internetatlarge.org so I suppose you want to
> > set-up some pages at this address, under your own password? perfect. You
> > will be referenced on http://worldatlarge.org and peole will also be able
> > to access you directly. Fro them it is just a part of our global site.
> Even
> > if for you it a site by your own, with your own working group.
> > jfc
> >
> >
> >
> > >J
> > >
> >
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> > >Judith Oppenheimer
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> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin [mailto:jefsey@club-internet.fr]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 4:13 PM
> > > > To: Judith Oppenheimer; 'Joop Teernstra';
> > > > atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > > > Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] 006 Deciding Name...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Judith,
> > > > please understand that there are two issues at stake.
> > > >
> > > > 1. the name - best name for our @lareg confederation for the
> > > > reasons I
> > > > documented is probably world@large. It is a compromise but it has a
> > > > mnemonic, historical , graphic, legitimacy, political convergence of
> > > > raeasons making it a good compromise.
> > > >
> > > > 2. the organization - we can only be a confedration of interest. That
> > > > confederation can only be built to the image of the Internet
> > > > governance.
> > > > Here we use xxx@large were governance uses IETF; ICANN, NTIA,
> > > > ccTLDs. So
> > > >
> > > > icann@large is the name of the WG relating with ICANN
> > > > ietf@large is the group of our IETF Members
> > > > france@large is the name of our French association
> > > >
> > > > 3. the accesses to the sites. The only problem we have today
> > > > is that we
> > > > have not http://atlarge.org.
> > > > When we have it we can develop the @large namespace in
> > > > registering 3LDs such as
> > > > icann.atlarge.org
> > > > france.atlarge.org
> > > > which will provide an easy way to manage the confedration. The Panel
> > > > playing the same role as Jon Postel to keep the things organized. An
> > > > organization is made by its web site.
> > > >
> > > > What Joop says is that http://icannatlarge.com has a lot of links.
> > > > We will progressively add http://icannatlarge.org etc... as
> > > > the one you
> > > > registered as ALIASES
> > > >
> > > > What we want is the largest number of people to know us. All
> > > > of them will
> > > > land into http://worlatlarge.org until we can make ot
> > > > http://world.atlarge.org too.
> > > >
> > > > The largest number of names, the more links we have in search engines.
> > > > jfc
> > > >
> > > > At 03:58 14/08/02, Judith Oppenheimer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >I disagree. Vociferously.
> > > > >
> > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > > >----------
> > > > >Judith Oppenheimer
> > > > >http://JudithOppenheimer.com
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> > > > >http://WhoSells800.com
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> > > > >----------
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Joop Teernstra [mailto:terastra@terabytz.co.nz]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:39 PM
> > > > > > To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] 006 Deciding Name...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My first choice would be icannatlarge.org, currently held by
> > > > > > elected panel
> > > > > > member Jefsey Morfin.
> > > > > > Jefsey could provide a re-direct to our current web presence.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We should think twice before abandoning the recognition (1650
> > > > > > google links)
> > > > > > that we have built up so far.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why keep the "icann" string?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Because icann, like it or not, is our defining battle ground.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Joop
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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