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[atlarge-discuss] Note to all members - This response it to a unknown(Fake?) poster on this forum - to:Re: [atlarge-discuss] finance
Whomever this is, and all stakeholders and other interested parties,
If you wish answers to these questions please take them off list
as the answers may contain confidential information that under the
privacy act and my personal position within my company require
by contract to be kept confidential. You will be required to sign
a nondisclosure agreement for answers to some of the questions
you pose below...
The remaining answers to you questions are posted below the questions
themselves. (See below)
Discredit Frauds wrote:
> We are publically pretty
> well known and broadly accepted by a number of governments including
> the US Government. That information is available to you or anyone
> that wishes to fill out a FOIA request to the FEC and similar requests
>
>
>
>
> Jeff "Shadowy" Williams,
This is not my name. Hence any answers I post below do not apply
to the name you list above as "Jeff "Shadowy" Williams"...
>
>
>
> I have only 3 questions for you to answer:
>
>
> 1.You say INEG is accepted by the US government. Does INEG pay US
> taxes?
A FOIA request will yeald you the answer to this question as I have
several
times outlined for you before...
>
>
>
> 2. Do you have any office space in Texas?
Yes.
> I would like to come and visit you to discuss.
Discuss what?
Thank you for your interest, but given the tone of your remarks, I am
not
interested in speaking with you privately on any matter in my office or
elsewhere.
> You have invited anyone to come visit you in the past.
Yes many times...
> Will I find an INEG office or will I find your house?
I doubt that you could fine my house. Although I sometimes
office our of my home it is rare that I do so anymore. About
1/3 or our employees have the option to office from home
part time if their work load and nature permits.
>
>
>
> 3. If I file a FOIA request, and the result does not prove that INEG
> exists, will you reemburse me for the fee?
No of course not. If you don't know how to file a proper FOIA request
your response may be empty or inaccurate. That is not my problem, but
it is yours.
> I would do it, but I'm not willing to spend the $150 without some
> guarantee.
There are no guarantee's in life as far as I know. You better learn
that!
Your question as posed sounds like you are financially indigent or just
too
cheep to pony up the $$. That's your problem, not mine. There
are however small business agencies and organizations that do handle
these
sorts of requests in the US for far less than $150.00US.. Perhaps
you should do some research in that direction...??? In addition some
Govt. agencies have online FOIA request filling apps for this purpose
as well. Again, perhaps you should do some research in this area as
well???
>
>
>
> ==============================================
> I Discredit Frauds.
> See the incredible claims!
> Learn who Jeffrey A. Williams is:
> http://www.angelfire.com/clone/jeffwilliams/
> ==============================================
>
> "Jeff Williams" wrote:
>
>
>
> Jan and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
>
> For the purposes of openness and transparency, of which you mention
> below Jan, I am also sending my response to all of the members
> that are subscribers of our list forum...
>
> (See more below your/Jans comments)
>
> Jan Siren wrote:
>
> > Jeff Williams wrote:
> > >
> > > Jan,
> > >
> > > Jan Siren wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Concur. If I send along any of my hard-earned $$, it's
> going to be to
> > > > something I know is going to BE THERE, not just to some
> person's pocket...
> > >
> > > Also agreed. Although I have already sometime ago set up an
> > > account for this purpose, I don't want to see the funding
> squandered
> > > or used for some personal purposes once the bylaws are in
> place
> > > so that I can transfer this account to this organization.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > --
> > > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Jeff, this is one of those cases in which I find it necessary to
> separately
> > consider the message and the messenger. We are agreed on finance,
> up to the
> > point of affirming the necessity of the organization to have its
> own
> > institutional bank account.
>
> Are you saying that this organization doesn't need it's own bank
> account?
>
> > At that point - and please don't take this the
> > wrong way - I have to hesitate to endorse an account set up by a
> person whom
> > I don't know other than through this mailing list; one who claims
> to be the
> > spokesman of an "INEGroup" of 127,000 members whose existence has
> never come
> > to my attention through any other channel than his own postings
> on this
> > mailing list.
>
> I don't know about 60% of the people I do business with initially, and
>
> some, though a much lower percentage, that I have been doing business
> with for quite a number of years I still have never personally met.
> That is part is one of the benefits and beauties of ecommerce, and
> why is is so successful. Hence I am at a loss as to this attitude.
> But I also respect your right to have such an opinion. Good luck
> in your ecommerce experiences! I am sure they will be few, and
> not very fruitful.
>
> > (Surely, I would have expected by now to have become aware of
> > the group through multiple other channels of communication; I
> would even
> > expect to have been solicited to join by now!)
>
> We are careful as to whom we directly solicit for joining our
> organization.
> We do not spam anyone in order to gain members. We find that to be
> less than advantageous to our membership drives and efforts. Hence
> perhaps, that is why you have not been contacted. But I surely do
> not know that for a fact... I can say from the tone and content of
> your
> response here, and other times as well, that you are not what our
> recruiting folks would call a "Potential viable member", whatever that
>
> actually means...
>
> >
> >
> > Transparency of process is one of the stated principles of
> ICANNATLARGE; and
> > I would hope that the means by which it conducts its finances
> would set the
> > standard for "transparency" in all its dealings.
>
> Oh I agree completely which is why I made the comments in part
> originally
> as to how the account I set up must be handled before transfer can
> actually
> occur. Perhaps you should re-read them more closely?
>
> > An account set up by a
> > spokesman for a shadowy "INEGroup" does not quite meet that
> criterion.
>
> We are in no way "Shadowy" in any definition of that binnacle term.
> We are well represented in over 100 countries. We are publically
> pretty
> well known and broadly accepted by a number of governments including
> the US Government. That information is available to you or anyone
> that wishes to fill out a FOIA request to the FEC and similar requests
>
> to those counties that use a similar method of garnering said specific
>
> information. Our privacy policy which every member is required
> to sign, and was voted upon and passed almost unanimously, does
> not allow for me or any member to provide certain specific personal
> information about our members directly. Hence the need in part
> for you to file a FOIA request. Our charter also reflects this
> requirement. It is well within the laws of the US and most other
> governments, and in some European governments it is a requirement.
> So it this is what you are calling "Shadowy" your position is frankly
> not tenable from a legal standpoint. I can however appreciate
> your reluctance to do your own do diligence as that requires
> some time to conduct. But it is well worth the effort IOHO,
> as it is generally considered very viable in the business and
> ecommerce
> world.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders strong!)
> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 972-244-3801
> Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
>
>
>
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Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders strong!)
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 972-244-3801
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
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