Re: [atlarge-discuss] Website defaced

["Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>]

I agree with you, Abel.

We need to help people organise themselves in their own areas (physical or
expertise). We need to open up our website so many can participate, not just
a few. We need to let the membership "run" this organisation from bottom up,
and the panel should just be a representative enabler/servant.

I will be posting a new proposal later today, and I support Jefsey's
initiative.

Kind regards

Richard Henderson

----- Original Message -----
From: Abel Wisman <abel@able-towers.com>
To: At-Large Discussion List <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 4:47 PM
Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Website defaced


> While working on the WG-DNS and trying to show something to Jeffsey, I
> learned that the webhost for icannatlarge.com has been hacked.
>
> As a result of this the "forum" is seriously de-faced (hmm well depends
> on how you look at it).
>
> However the more serious implication is that all data that was on that
> server regarding icannatlarge.com has now been compromised.
>
> It shows that mindless babbling on a maillist and listening to antics of
> certain figures either figurative or real, makes poor management of any
> organization, no matter what.
>
> This is the latest in the crown of "mishaps" with icannatlarge, whether
> politically correct or not.
>
> This organization is getting close to being impossible to repair or make
> successful, which is a shame considering the powerhouse of intellect we
> carry amidst our ranks.
> Rest assured that those who do not wish us all that well will glow in
> the aftermath of these past weeks.
>
> However false in some eyes the pretensions of Esther and cohorts, they
> do not have to live with all this **** and we do.
> I suggest that it is time for a rapid change, consisting of some very
> simple majority decisions to be made.
>
> 1. re-draft or re-visit of bylaws of the organization
>
> 2. institute a panel with knowledge and capability to run an
> organization as this should and hopefully will be, with less emphasis on
> personal importance, no insult meant to those who simply did a good job,
> it is not my intention to judge, I just conclude from what has happened
> over the past period.
>
> 3. give those organizations now stamped as local the immediate freedom
> to run their own website and program, as long as they underwrite the
> general goal of this organization.
>
> 4. give the WG's we need the highest priority, there being:
>
> WG-DNS
> WG-outreach
> WG-web
>
> And add a few to take care of certain other things that need to be done:
>
> Sponsorship
> Contacts
> Press
> Planning
> Bylaws
> Structure
>
> And I am sure there are some I have not yet thought of in my haste.
>
> It is obvious that in all our goodwill we have overseen something that
> is just as important and the growth of the organization:
> As  a representing panel, the main organization can far better be
> general management to all "local" organizations to prevent a number of
> problems such as difference in culture and law.
> We can never assume to be able to speak on behalf of Muslims and Jews if
> we do not let both have their own identity within the organization.
> There is no way we can lay down the law for them for now and the future,
> no matter how good willing we are, it is far better to be a panel of
> representatives of those organizations and as such speak with one
> tongue.
>
> It will at least reduce a lot of noise on maillists, continues voting,
> endless debates and what more.
>
> Take some (little) time to think it over my friends, the path we are
> going down now does not lead to success.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Abel
>
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