Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Recordings of Amsterdam Meetings and PROPOSAL

["Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>]

Hmmm...

What we have at ICANN is not the westen democratic system.

It's the USSR Politburo and Totalitarian system.

How do you translate "the wishes of the individuals" into executive power on
the Board of ICANN.

ICANN is a top-down dictatorship.

Going down one level to the RALOs : who selects these, the individuals? No.
ICANN.

Who votes for the executive/board of the RALO : the individuals? As far as
I'm aware, ISOC individuals don't even get to vote for their own leadership
in ISOC?

So the RALO is imposed top down again. Still the individuals cannot / do not
control it.

Then what about the "Parties" as you call them, Vittorio?

Yes, in IcannatLarge.org we vote one member one vote. But I don't think that
is done in ISOC (which would be the largest group and which is more or less
a "vested interest" as it is now drawn into Registry role with ICANN). So
most individual members of the party would still NOT have an individual vote
in determining things.

ICANN has still not made up its mind whether it will accept
individuals/individual votes within the RALO : or whether they will only
allow Organisations; or a mixture of both. Anything other than one member
one vote would be corrupt anyway. Block votes (like in the old delegate
systems of our trade unions here in UK) always result in "fixing" results
with deals behind closed doors and the individual nowhere to be seen.

I do not agree that ICANN's wonderful RALOs are intended to usher in a ne
"golden age" of western democracy in the running of the Internet.

ICANN is a totalitarian state run by its politburo. Individuals get in the
way of that. Neither the RALOs guarantee one person- one vote, nor is there
the slightest suggestion that the existence of the RALOs will result in
democratic votes for individuals to decide who they WANT to run the Internet
for them.

This is NOT "western democracy", Vittorio.

Richard H


----- Original Message -----
From: Vittorio Bertola <vb@bertola.eu.org>
To: Alexander Svensson <alexander@svensson.de>
Cc: Richard Henderson <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>;
<atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Recordings of Amsterdam Meetings and
PROPOSAL


On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:46:12 +0100, you wrote:

>I haven't been to Amsterdam, and I only just listened
>to the first hour of the first meeting MP3 (thanks, Bret!),
>but this question (individuals at the RALO level) is not
>a question of the *role* of individuals, but of organization.
>Some people want At Large structures composed of individuals
>in the RALO; some people want individuals in the RALO; I
>don't know whether anyone has a proposal which allows both
>to interact at the same level

I have - and it has been working greatly in the last two centuries:
the western democratical system. Just think of the RALO as the
Parliament, the At Large structures as parties, and the individuals as
voters, and it will work peacefully.
--
vb.            [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<---
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