Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Recordings of Amsterdam Meetings and PROPOSAL

[Vittorio Bertola <vb@bertola.eu.org>]

On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:09:22 -0000, you wrote:

>What we have at ICANN is not the westen democratic system.
>
>It's the USSR Politburo and Totalitarian system.
>
>How do you translate "the wishes of the individuals" into executive power on
>the Board of ICANN.
>
>ICANN is a top-down dictatorship.

Yes, ICANN is (or well, perhaps it is an aristocratical oligarchy -
the controlling group selects itself). The RALOs, potentially, are
not.

>Going down one level to the RALOs : who selects these, the individuals? No.
>ICANN.

ICANN has to sign a MoU, and yes, it could potentially try to
influence the structure of the RALO. However, if most active
organizations and individuals agree to support an unitary effort to
build a RALO, ICANN will not have any credible reason to refuse its
acknowledgement. So the problem comes down to building something that
is acceptable for all... and so, ultimately, in convincing all other
user organizations in each Region that direct voting from individuals
is the way to go.

>Who votes for the executive/board of the RALO : the individuals?

I am in favour of individuals voting for the RALO councils and reps.
Others are in favour of indirect representation through the At Large
Structures. At this time, the answer is "it has not been decided yet".
Do you want to fight for our idea of individuals voting freely for
their representatives, or do you want to give up in advance?

>Yes, in IcannatLarge.org we vote one member one vote. But I don't think that
>is done in ISOC (which would be the largest group

I don't think so. In Europe, CECUA claims more than 500'000 members.
Most ISOC chapters have no more than 20-100 members.

>and which is more or less
>a "vested interest" as it is now drawn into Registry role with ICANN). So
>most individual members of the party would still NOT have an individual vote
>in determining things.

It depends. In western elections, individuals vote secretly and
individually, even if they are members of a party. And there's no
guarantee that they will vote like their party would like them to do,
unless they really agree with their party's view.

>This is NOT "western democracy", Vittorio.

Correction - not yet. (We might discuss whether western democracy is
the better system to operate a root name server, anyway - I was just
trying to confute Alex's statement that a system that allows
individuals and organizations to coexist at the same level is
impossible.)
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