Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [wg-bylaws] Re: [atlarge-panel] votes about to be called

["Ron Sherwood" <sherwood@islands.vi>]

All good points, Walter:

    I would love to see us capable of handling your method of addressing
both ends of the spectrum.  Unfortunately, the past year's experience
indicates that we cannot handle disparate viewpoints at any level.
    We have not been able to get consensus on one single action in all the
time that our organization has been in existence.  Not a working Board, not
agreement on the name or function of the organization, not agreement on who
should run a website or under what rules, not on by-laws or articles of
incorporation, not where we should incorporate, not on how we should respond
to changes in ICANN policy (that other organizations have addressed with
clear and profound proposals).  And, we certainly have not been able to
separate the top-downs from the bottom-ups in any way that would prevent the
two groups from endlessly attacking the thinking of the other... on any
subject.

    What you have suggested is a fine vision that I totally approve of.
Please show me how you plan to make it work.

Ron, Sherwood

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Schmidt" <walts@dorsai.org>
To: "Ron Sherwood" <sherwood@islands.vi>
Cc: "DPF" <david@farrar.com>; "Richard Henderson"
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Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [wg-bylaws] Re: [atlarge-panel] votes
about to be called


> On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Ron Sherwood wrote:
>
> > The decision to stay within the ICANN structure (top-down) or to
> > endeavor to represent the grass roots (bottom-up) is so fundamental
> > that we must make a choice.
>
>    ...yes, at the Committee not the organization level.
>
> > There is no reason why the membership cannot participate in one or the
> > other or both of two separate organizations with these opposing views.
> > Nor is there any reason why two organizations cannot coordinate their
> > goals and work closely together...
>
>    ...yes, however, I thought we were organizing the entity that would
> represent the atlarge - not just ONE of the organizations...
>
> > But, I cannot see any way that we can realistically accommodate the
> > wishes of these two diametrically opposed constituencies, and still
> > democratically vote on anything.
>
>    ...And I can.
>
> So, we either want to represent the atlarge, or we want to represent just
> the atlarge-who-think-only-one-way.
>
> I had hoped we were not so closed minded - I had hoped we understood the
> need to allow opposing-views to co-exist. I had hoped for more open
> mindedness and less "my-way is the only right-way."
>
> I had also hoped to "hear" more members' views...
>
>
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