RE: [atlarge-discuss] polling closed. results now visible

["Abel Wisman" <abel@able-towers.com>]

I see that besides insinuations that hold no ground, you now also are
responsible for the memberlist of icannatlarge dot org and the voterlist
as well, is that really what this organisation wanted ?

To answer your question: no I do not host the website.
(nor did I offer to do so)

I brought the hack and defacation of the website to the attention of the
icannatlarge.orf list, it does not surprise me that Vittorio as a panel
member reads that, but so do others.

Where upon you base your thesis of me trying to prevent bottom-up
procedures of any kind, let alone polling, is a mystery, and what it has
to do with the forum is even less clear.

Finally; the right to publish names to a semi-closed list such as this
is not the same then making them part of poll and the consequences one
should have to accept are no more then others posting to and politely
formulating their opinions, harrassement, stalking, unwanted inclusions
in polls or other nastiness is not an "acceptable consequence of
participation" to an emaillist concerning internet-governance.

Coming back to your final two questions: as a member of this
organisation I have a right to A. participate in polls, if any are held,
and B. that includes participating on all other activities the
organisation wishes to initiate.

Kind regards

Abel





> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joop Teernstra [mailto:terastra@terabytz.co.nz] 
> Sent: 08 February 2003 23:57
> To: abel@able-towers.com; 'atlarge Discuss List'
> Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] polling closed. results now visible
> 
> 
> At 12:26 a.m. 9/02/2003, Abel Wisman wrote:
> 
> >This is exactly what should have been prevented.
> 
> Dear Abel,
> 
> I know that you have tried your best to prevent  Bottom-up 
> Polling. It was you who brought that "hack" of the Forum to 
> Vittorio's attention and 
> caused him to shut it down. The Forum allows anyone to set up 
> polls of his own. Are you the one who is now hosting icannatlarge.org?
> 
> By all means, see if you can get legal advice on whether a 
> participant on a 
> public list has the right to publish the names of others who 
> publish on 
> that list.
> These are the new boundaries and uncharted waters. I had no 
> intention to be 
> rude to anyone and I had the list announced in the Forum well 
> in advance 
> asking for additions and removal requests.
> Yes, the next time I will try to find all the email addresses 
> and ask for 
> permissions. My apologies to all who felt imposed upon.
> 
> My opinion is that when you participate in a public forum, 
> you have to 
> accept the consequences as long as there is no malice or 
> harm. There are people on these lists that have been 
> malicious and who have 
> caused harm. It is good to know where and how the limits on public 
> behaviour need to be drawn.
> 
> Two simple questions that will solve your problems:
> 
> 1. do you want to be on a voters' list next time? 2. Do you 
> want your name 
> to be removed from the "participants" list next time?
> 
> Yours,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -joop-
> 
> 



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