Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [atlarge-panel] PROPOSAL: that an election is called for a new Panel

["Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>]

Yep, I agree.

We need a membership vote to confirm their already expressed wish for new
panel elections. Or else, what is left of the panel could call for them
anyway, in consultation of course. But a large number of members want a new
panel and we can't just ignore that.

At the same time, we have gained some pretty strong indicators from last
week's poll on other issues like the ICANN Ralos and the desire for polls to
become a regular part of the decision-forming framework.

Richard H


----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
To: Richard Henderson <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>
Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [atlarge-panel] PROPOSAL: that an
election is called for a new Panel


> Richard and all,
>
>   Richard, with all due respect, we didn't need a poll to figure out that
the
> members as greatly dissatisfied with the present Panel and even more
> dissatisfied with that Panel's lack luster to poor performance.
>
>   What we may need a poll for is to determine if that Panel should or
> needs to be replaced now or wait until July and what the actual
> specific duties and work areas that Panel should or needs to concentrate
> it's efforts upon.  The rest of the work, policies and interactive
> endeavors of this membership can and should be handled by the members
> themselves collectively or independently with the rest of the members
> stated and documented/voted upon approval...
>
> Richard Henderson wrote:
>
> > I understand your point Jefsey.
> >
> > I'm hanging in with this panel, to try to represent the membership
views. I
> > believe there is sufficient evidence that the membership wants a new
Panel
> > now, not in July (when the next election is due).
> >
> > However, I will abide by process, and the Panel has to decide this issue
for
> > iself by majority decision. I'm just saying I believe the evidence
indicates
> > our members want new elections, and I think we should respect that wish.
> >
> > However, if you feel a private Poll is insufficient evidence, then I
think
> > we should conduct an official vote to define this clearly to your
> > satisfaction.
> >
> > I am just following the logic of >> bottom up democracy >> apparent
wishes
> > of the majority >> defining those wishes (I think the Poll did this, but
I'm
> > happy with a full vote) >> act on democratic wishes of membership
> >
> > I can't see any just reason not to respond to what the membership wants,
and
> > the Poll at least signals that they probably *do* want this.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
> > To: Richard Henderson <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>;
> > <atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [atlarge-panel] PROPOSAL: that an election is called for a
new
> > Panel
> >
> > > Hmmm. May be can we keep cool one minute :-)
> > >
> > > At 20:21 08/02/03, Richard Henderson wrote:
> > > >I can see pro's and cons to electying a new panel now, but as far as
I'm
> > > >concerned, it's what most of our participating members want, so -
> > >
> > > The majority of polled people (gallup) said they would prefer a new
panel.
> > > But we have rules. If we start changing these rules because 17% of our
> > > members in a private poll said so....
> > >
> > > Now, this gives our Chair a clear indication of his duty: to call the
next
> > > in line and publish asap (before a call for new election develops) the
> > list
> > > of the current panelists.
> > >
> > > >I PROPOSE: an election is called for a new Panel. I propose an eleven
> > > >member panel, as before. I propose that we allow ten days for
> > nominations.
> > > >Ten days for statements and questions. And ten days for voting and
> > > >corroboration.
> > >
> > > Richard, we have rules. And all this would only be a little bit
earlier.
> > >
> > > >(At the same time I hope we will also vote through the establishment
of
> > > >the Polling Booth as our official mechanism for polling members on
> > policy,
> > > >with the continuing facility for members to pose questions. And at
the
> > > >same time I hope we will press forward with the development of a
> > selection
> > > >of mission statements.)
> > >
> > > This is contradirctory.
> > > We need a stable and active panel to decide about the booth. I would
also
> > > clarify that question of wording between polling and voting. In French
a
> > > vote is a decision, a poll is an information. Never understood the way
you
> > > guys understand these words, but I know that a gallup (poll?) is not
to
> > > make the law where I share.
> > >
> > > Now, you want to push for respecting the positions of the members and
they
> > > just said they wanted to act by subsidiarity/capilarity or by
> > coordination.
> > > This means that they do not want any missino statement but a few
> > > organizations to develop their own mission statement and join under
the
> > > umbrella of the panel to discuss a statement of cooperation (alliance)
or
> > I
> > > did not understand it.
> > >
> > > This is rather unformal when compared to ICANN but comparable.
> > > Parties/local organizations are equivalent to Constituencies, Panel to
> > BoD,
> > > cooperation to the NC, the membership to the GA, but with real powers,
the
> > > Panel being more a catalyst and an escalation.
> > > jfc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
> > To: Richard Henderson <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>;
> > <atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [atlarge-panel] PROPOSAL: that an election is called for a
new
> > Panel
> >
> > > Hmmm. May be can we keep cool one minute :-)
> > >
> > > At 20:21 08/02/03, Richard Henderson wrote:
> > > >I can see pro's and cons to electying a new panel now, but as far as
I'm
> > > >concerned, it's what most of our participating members want, so -
> > >
> > > The majority of polled people (gallup) said they would prefer a new
panel.
> > > But we have rules. If we start changing these rules because 17% of our
> > > members in a private poll said so....
> > >
> > > Now, this gives our Chair a clear indication of his duty: to call the
next
> > > in line and publish asap (before a call for new election develops) the
> > list
> > > of the current panelists.
> > >
> > > >I PROPOSE: an election is called for a new Panel. I propose an eleven
> > > >member panel, as before. I propose that we allow ten days for
> > nominations.
> > > >Ten days for statements and questions. And ten days for voting and
> > > >corroboration.
> > >
> > > Richard, we have rules. And all this would only be a little bit
earlier.
> > >
> > > >(At the same time I hope we will also vote through the establishment
of
> > > >the Polling Booth as our official mechanism for polling members on
> > policy,
> > > >with the continuing facility for members to pose questions. And at
the
> > > >same time I hope we will press forward with the development of a
> > selection
> > > >of mission statements.)
> > >
> > > This is contradirctory.
> > > We need a stable and active panel to decide about the booth. I would
also
> > > clarify that question of wording between polling and voting. In French
a
> > > vote is a decision, a poll is an information. Never understood the way
you
> > > guys understand these words, but I know that a gallup (poll?) is not
to
> > > make the law where I share.
> > >
> > > Now, you want to push for respecting the positions of the members and
they
> > > just said they wanted to act by subsidiarity/capilarity or by
> > coordination.
> > > This means that they do not want any missino statement but a few
> > > organizations to develop their own mission statement and join under
the
> > > umbrella of the panel to discuss a statement of cooperation (alliance)
or
> > I
> > > did not understand it.
> > >
> > > This is rather unformal when compared to ICANN but comparable.
> > > Parties/local organizations are equivalent to Constituencies, Panel to
> > BoD,
> > > cooperation to the NC, the membership to the GA, but with real powers,
the
> > > Panel being more a catalyst and an escalation.
> > > jfc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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