Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [atlarge-panel] PROPOSAL: that an election is called for a new Panel

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Ted and all,

  I very much appreciate your comments, and sympathize with most
of them.  I would add that the other wise advice to compliment yours
is that any Council, Panel or other forms of representation must
also work with the members of this fledgling organization, and follow
through on what the members desire, not what they believe is "Best"
for the members...  It is here, along with your wise advice that the
crux of most of this organizations problems reside...

W. E. (Ted) Murray wrote:

> Saturday, February 8, 2003, 11:50:59 PM, you wrote:
>
> JW> Richard and all,
>
> Jeff (et. al.):  Wrote this last fall when I figured I was wasting my
> time.  Didn't send it as I figured "lurking" might offer the
> opportunity to see a glimmer of hope.  Thought that some actual
> "ground up" as Joop (motives still not clear to me though my
> optimistic side says they were well intentioned) initiated with the
> vote, might turn the page.  The ensuing acrimony and, quite frankly,
> silly political posturing (I figured an at-large would adopt more of
> the labour movement "intelligence" and accommodate individual
> opinion as opposed to the "leap to the soap-box and beat one's
> opposing chest" approach).
>
> In any case, my previous views have not been swayed and I've
> "unsubscribed" to this abysmal exercise in democracy (and we think
> ICANN has problems .....).  Good luck to you all but a word of advice.
> If you are going to elect a board, a panel, a whatever - if you are
> not willing to work with them, then you are fooling yourself on the
> process.  I think those that are seriously motivated, Richard,
> Jeffsey, Bruce, etc. should vacate to regional/sectoral endeavours
> maintaining a "watch" on the at-large effort but skip the rhetoric
> that this forum promotes.  Obfuscation is rampant in today's society,
> encouraging it does little for progressive movement.
>
> My past views:
> <paste>
>
> Appreciate all the efforts and the "precision" afforded the first real
> "at large" vote.  However, as someone who has a number of priorities
> and had hoped to contribute to the establishment of a real "grass
> roots" voice in Internet governance, I'm afraid I am bailing. I don't
> or cannot afford the time this community requires to try and find its
> footing.  The stupidity of dialogue that too often dominates this
> forum is no longer tolerable.
>
> There some brilliant folks in the group and I have learned much from
> their input.  Richard's assessments, voicing the "outsider's view"
> have been enlightening.  Joanna's perceptions, bringing a clear and
> concise statement on issues, has provided similar inspiration. Judith,
> who has voiced an excellent broad summary of the issues and again
> helped my understanding of situation, has been another great educator.
> Judyth, a latecomer and yet another to be harangued over semantics
> where insight is totally obfuscated, broadened my view with respect to
> the communities that are essential to making a real "at large" work.
> Danny, despite a pessimism that I realize I don't know the history of
> to fully appreciate, always voiced a grounded perspective that needed
> to be understood as constructive input. Bruce, though exhibiting a
> certain "e-mail hyperactivity" is another with sincere interest and
> commitment.  Jeffsey, admirable in knowledge and concept though maybe
> too much "within the system" to capture my understanding.  Jamie,
> obviously influential but too "quiet" and/or "sporadic" for me fully
> comprehend intentions.  Vivek, intelligent and yet emotional to the
> point of distracting himself from objective.  Joop, an enigma in many
> ways and someone who speaks in principle and yet seems to be at odds
> with the group he says he is a part of.  Ron (Sherwood), another voice
> of reason though, like me, often distracted by the "noise" that is
> bandied about our "community".  Erik, occasionally
> inspirational and just as occasionally erratical and a distraction.
> Jeff, well, I don't want to "go there" but useless pontification and a
> compulsion to speak to every post causes me sincere concern for this
> lad.  I have people closer to me with "issues" that much more deserve
> my time and attention.
>
> Bottom line is there are numerous intellects within the "1000" members
> but I think one might want to recount the population.  Patience has
> been a virtue in my 30 years of IT experience, 15 of them in
> international development sector, but I don't see where there is value
> in expending it further here.  I'm afraid that I am bailing
> because I don't have time for the inanities that dominate the
> discussion.  I suspect that I am not alone and that the "1000" is now
> likely more of a "virtual" community.  Count the votes tendered.
> Percentage turnout here should not be equated with traditional federal
> government process.  If this community is "vibrant" then the numbers
> should acknowledge a robust turnout.  Doesn't appear that way to me
> ....
>
> I believe my time is better spent elsewhere.  Thanks for the
> experience and best wishes at making this "thing" work.  I suspect
> however, that it is going to take a while and folks like Jeff Williams
> need to be "excommunicated".
>
> I will visit again and see if the house has any greater semblance of
> congregation and intent.  Till then, "good luck" .....
>
>                Be seeing you ....... Fred
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Regards,
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Jeffrey A. Williams
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