Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Nothing Special :Re: [atlarge-discuss] FYI: [CNET] ICANN under Twomey to continuepolicy focus

[Holger Steiner <h.steiner@scharr.de>]

Jeff Williams schrieb:
> 
> Holger and all fellow members,
> 
> Holger Steiner wrote:
> 
> > Jeff Williams schrieb:
> > >
> > > Holger and all fellow members,
> > >
> > > Holger Steiner wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jeff Williams schrieb:
> > > > >
> > > > > Holger and all fellow members,
> > > > >
> > > > > Holger Steiner wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Jeff Williams schrieb:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Holger and all fellow members,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Holger Steiner wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jeff Williams schrieb:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Holger and all fellow members,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Holger Steiner wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Jeff Williams schrieb:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Holger and all fellow members,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Holger Steiner wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Williams schrieb:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Holger and all fellow members,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Changing the subject again...
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You are not a long time user in the internet community, are you?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >   Yes.  I am one of several original developers of ARPA net...
> > > > > > > > > > > Long enough for you?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Obviously not long enough for you to pick some things up.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   Such as, prey tell?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Not to change the subject of a thread by your whim and not to use the
> > > > > > > > name of your discussion partners in the subject.
> > > > > > > > Just for example.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   Bad examples Holger.  I changed the subject line as appropriate to
> > > > > > > the change or drift of the subject content/matter.  Hence "Whim"
> > > > > > > played no part in that change of subject line.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes it did.
> > > > >
> > > > >   Sorry, but you are sadly mistaken.  However I will be happy to
> > > > > meet you and/or your legal representatives in a court of law
> > > > > that is appropriate, to invite you to prove such...  So I await
> > > > > your service.  Otherwise your response above is just so much
> > > > > nonsense.
> > > >
> > > > You want to go to court about simple netiquette?
> > >
> > >   No.  ANd I never suggested such.  I OFFERED you the opportunity
> > > to do so and to make good on your contention.  Do you have a reading
> > > impairment problem?  It seems so.
> >
> > You invited me to meet me and my legal representatives in a court
> > of law.
> 
>   No I suggested that if you wanted to make good on your contention
> you could take that up in a court of law that is appropriate.

Maybe it is your understanding of law to go to court with every
rude person you meet.
I will just point and laugh at these people, as I do now.

 
> > I think you have a writing impairment problem.
> > It seems so.
> 
>   Hardly!  And again you seem to be spinning or just wish to
> make wild claims that have no relevance as to my comments
> or suggestions.

Spinning? Wild claims?
Isnt that called projecting?


>  And you have yet to answer my previous questions
> to you regarding you interest in becoming an INEGroup member.

Yes, I did.

 
> > > > You are some kind of newbie, arent you?
> > >
> > >   Hardly!  ROFLMAO!
> >
> > You behave like one.
> 
>   Oh?  And how do you arrive at that conclusion?

Reading your answers?

Come on, that wasnīt that hard.

 
> > > > > > And not to forget placing my name in the subject line.
> > > > >
> > > > >   I don't forget that at all.  In fact, I would do so again if I
> > > > > believe it is appropriate.
> > > >
> > > > That is never appropriate.
> > >
> > >   Incorrect.  And if you think it is, prove it.
> >
> > Never heard of Netiquette?
> 
>   Of course.  Who's are you referring to?

To you.
As I said, there are just the two of us.

 
> > But you invented the Internet.
> 
>   No I sure didn't.  I never said I did.  I DID say I was
> on one of the groups working on the early development of
> ARPANET.

Yes, yes, thats fine by me.

When was that, what group where you in and in what capacity where
you working?

 
> > Let me guess, you are Al Gore?
> >
> >
> > > > Even a texan should know simple things like that.
> > >
> > >   Simple things like what?  Simple things??!!
> >
> > Okay, I give you that.
> > Simple rules of behaving in public might not be simple for you.
> 
>   Define simple in this or your own context.  Most rules, but not all
> are rarely simple.  They are even more complex when applied, or
> are poorly defined.  Hence the problem with different peoples
> determination as to what rules governing what, become problematic
> or difficult to adequately define.

As I thought, some simple rules are not that simple for you
to understand.

I will try to write more slowly in the future, sorry.
 

> > > > > > > > >  If so, Why on earth, given your recent
> > > > > > > > > remarks in this and other public exchanges with me would you
> > > > > > > > > want to?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What does your misunderstanding of economics have to do with my possible
> > > > > > > > membership in INEGroup?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   I have no misunderstanding of economics.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes. You tried to refute theories about economics with social diseases.
> > > > >
> > > > >   No I said that those effected by social diseases theories are of
> > > > > questionable value as those social diseases effect the mind in
> > > > > many ways that effect judgment, ect.
> > > >
> > > > This sentence does not parse.
> > >
> > >   Sure does Holger.  However I am again gathering that your command
> > > of the english language is less than optimal.  However as perhaps
> > > you are not a native english speaker, that is somewhat understandable.
> >
> > I am not a native english speaker.
> > Nevertheless is your sentence above a wrong use of english.
> 
>   I think you mean is a wrong use of english?  Hence your statement
> here is incorrectly constructed.  But no, my sentence was perfectly constructed
> to convey my meaning.

Okay, please explain to me what you mean with
"social diseases theories".

 
> > Please read it again.
> > It that doesnt help, read it loud.
> 
>   Did.  And checked it against my grammar checker as well.  All
> was and still is well.

No, was not.
See above.


> > > > You tried to judge a economic theory by painting Adam Smith as a
> > > > madman.
> > >
> > >   He died a mad man.
> >
> > And that proves exactly what?
> 
>   That it is or was likely that many of Adam Smiths theory were
> less than reasonable if not worse.

Wow.

As I said, you canīt attack the content of his theories, but you
heard something about social diseases and decided that would be
a winning argument.

Let me guess, you dont have a job where you have to convince
people sometimes?


> > > > You dont know jack about it, isnt it?
> > >
> > >   This sentence is not constructed correctly.  However I will
> > > attempt to decipher it:
> > >   I know many fellows named Jack.  I don't know what "it" you
> > > are referring to here however.  I have read allot regarding the
> > > history of Adam Smith.  Much is also available online regarding
> > > Adam Smith as also.  My personal library is rather extensive.
> >
> > Then try to read it sometimes.
> 
>   Don't have to, much of it I have in my database or I have read
> many times before.

Well, you should read it until you understand something in it.

Calling somebody a madman is still no argument.


Or the peace protesters would have a point.  ;-)

 
> > > > > > > > >  However as is my mandate,
> > > > > > > > > I shall forward your question on to the regional director for
> > > > > > > > > you area in this response.  Soon after, a questionnaire will be
> > > > > > > > > sent to you to fill out.  Than either the area director for your
> > > > > > > > > domicile shall contact you regarding that questionnaire or
> > > > > > > > > I shall be directed to do so as I am your first contact in that
> > > > > > > > > interest in joining.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I would really like to talk to other members of INEGroup. That is not
> > > > > > > > directed against you but it is usually useful to talk to other members
> > > > > > > > of an organisation to get a broader perspective into the goals.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   Our goals are well known and documented.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They are?
> > > > >
> > > > >   Yes.  Review the ICANN comments list archives, the DNSO GA
> > > > > lists archives.  News.com's archives, the DOC/NTIA documentation
> > > > > and various mailing list archives as just a few places where you can find
> > > > > this information.
> > > >
> > > > So you are unable to just give out some of this "documents"?
> > >
> > >   This documents?  What "This Documents" are you referring to?
> > > BTW this sentence also is not constructed correctly I believe...
> > > Work on your sentence construction in english.
> >
> > Will do.
> >
> > So there is nothing about the goals and aims of INEGroup you can show
> > me?
> 
>   I am not a show and tell sort of spokesman.  That is not my role.
> Much of those goals are available to you if you wish to do a little
> research.  Some, though few, are available in the archives of this
> very forum should you care to look.

So there is nothing except your lone voice about the goals
of INEGroup?
 

> > Preferably not written by you?
> 
>   Very few were written by me.  Many were publicized by me or
> using my E-Mail ID as a reference.  All are approved, voted upon
> by our members.

Everything written by thousands of members of INEGroup is, and
was, going through your computer, personally approved by you?

So, all I could get would be something that at least appears to
be written by you?
 

> > > > > > >  Some have been
> > > > > > > achieved, others are in progress and moving along nicely.  As their
> > > > > > > spokesman, I would be your point of contact for this sort
> > > > > > > of information.  We speak with one voice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, you are the lone voice of INEGroup and EVERY contact to other
> > > > > > members have to get your approval?
> > > > >
> > > > > No.
> > > >
> > > > Yes.
> > > >
> > > > "I would be your point of contact..."
> > >
> > >   This is true, I would be until or unless you have joined INEGroup.
> >
> > I thought so.
> 
>   However the other point of contact would be or could be the
> regional director in your region of residence or domicile.

Okay, point the german regional director to me please.
Oh wait, he will read that automatically, right?

 
> > You are the gatekeeper of INEGroup, there is simply no chance to
> > reach anybody else of the alleged thousands of members?
> 
>   No I am not a gatekeeper.  I am the spokesman for INEGroup.
> And again your post here has reached each and ever one of our
> members that are actively participating, which is most of them.

And no reaction from thousands of members?

A virtual army of zombies?

 
> > Nice picture.
> >
> >
> > > > > > Sounds like a religious sect to me with you as the guru.
> > > > >
> > > > >   How so?  Please elaborate freely.
> > > >
> > > > Read above.
> > >
> > >   I did.  And nothing you stated in response remotely indicated such.
> > > You are in each post on this thread digging yourself into a deeper
> > > argumentative grave.  However you are also with each post
> > > to me being automatically copied to all of the INEGroup
> > > members as I have now indicated twice.
> >
> > When did you write something about copying my posts?
> 
>   About three years ago now was the first time.

ROTFL.


> > >  Hence your request
> > > to talk of converse with our members is being met.  If any of our
> > > members wish to contact you independently, they shall do so I
> > > am sure.
> >
> > Yes, I am sure.
> 
>   Good!  Glad you finally have that clear in your mind now.
> Lets hope you don't forget it.

I am sure, nobody else from those thousands of people will reach
me.
I wonder why?

 
> > So, there is nobody out there...
> 
>   Sure there is.  Perhaps, though I don't know they feel that
> Our exchanges here are of a nature that does not interest
> our members from contacting you otherwise, or as the spokesman
> this series of lengthy exchanges has been adequate enough.

Yes, I think you as a spokesman are doing an adequate job
to represent that huge group.

 
> > > > > > > > Not all members are one heart and one soul.
> > > > > > > > (As can be seen here at atlarge  ;- )  )
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   I cannot speak to the "heart and soul" of each of our members.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And because of this I want to talk directly to other members.
> > > > >
> > > > >   You are in this very post.
> > > >
> > > > You are many?
> > > > Your name is legion, by any chance?
> > >
> > >   No my name is Jeffrey A. Williams.  INEGroup is not so
> > > many either.
> >
> > Well, 129,000,000 members I would call "many".
> 
>   Well of course you are entitled to you opinion, naturally...

That would be a big country at least.
Yes, many.

 
> > > > > > Because, to say it frankly, you ARE a really bad spokesperson for
> > > > > > any type of group.
> > > > >
> > > > >   Perhaps in your opinion.  However in the vast majority of INEGRoup's
> > > > > opinion, is much different than yours.
> > > >
> > > > This I believe you.
> > > >
> > > > So, in conclusion, you are unable to put me in touch with other
> > > > members of INEGroup?
> > >
> > >   No, you are already in touch with them with this and all of your
> > > previous posts on this and other theards...
> >
> > No, I am not.
> > There are just the two of us.
> 
>   Incorrect again.  All of the posts to me concerning INEGroup
> are re-posted to each of our members via our E-mail exchange.

You made that up on the spot, arent you?

 
> > I dont hear any voices...
> 
>   This is E-Mail.  Hence I am sure you don't "Hear" any voices.
> If you do when reading an E-Mail, than you are as mad as
> Adam Smith.

Well, it is not me talking to INEGroup.



greetings
Holger

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