Re: [Fwd: [atlarge-discuss] WHAT MOST MEMBERS WANT]

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Stephen and all fellow members,

Stephen Waters wrote:

> Buzzwords are not a solution, Jeff.

  Buzz words?  Excuse me!  What buzz words are you referring to
Stepehn?

>
>
> As I said "[it's] too difficult to prevent at this point." "at this
> point" of course means that 1) we have no budget, 2) we have few
> members, 3) we'd like to get this done sometime soon.

  Budget is attainable in short order, so your #1 is not valid.
And you will have fewer members if you persist in endangering their
privacy, security and perpetrating a process that is well known
as fraudulent.  So your #2 is also not only not productive, it is
dangerous.  And finally the REAL reason for your and a few
other irresponsible members for pursuing this path is you #3.
Haste makes not only waste, it is inherently dangerous and most
times irresponsible.

>
>
> If we had enough members to bootstrap, the Debian PKI method could work
> for us. Reputable members in each country or state could view photo IDs
> and sign PGP keys with official keys. However, we don't have nearly
> enough people for that yet, unless of course INEG Inc. is willing to pay
> for all of us to get together and sign each others' keys and install PGP
> software on PCs and in Internet Cafes where requested.

  PKI certificates are very cheep.  PGI is free if you know where to look.
Individual responsibility and garnering or gathering funding is the responsibility

of any responsible membership organization that has or will have costs.

>
>
> -s
>
> On Sun, 2003-04-13 at 15:51, Jeff Williams wrote:
> > Stephen and all fellow members,
> >
> >   No it is not too difficult to prevent multiple/fraudulent additional
> > accounts per person, Stephen.  Registered E-Mail can do some of
> > that work for you as well as the addition of PKI or a TLS certificate.
> > Of course none of that is free.  But preventing or fighting fraud is never
> > free!  Not fighting fraud also is not free.  And in fact, if we are not
> > careful we will find out just how expensive not taking responsible
> > steps to address fraud in these sorts of situations can be!
> >
> >   A word to the wise should be sufficient...
> >
> > Stephen Waters wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 2003-04-13 at 03:10, Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
> > > > 1. you login to the website and create a user name associated with your
> > > > email address.
> > > > 2. you generate your ballot by voting on the site.
> > > > 3. upon submitting your vote, a receipt copy of your choice(s) is then
> > > > emailed back to you (for your own verification purposes) along with an
> > > > ID,
> > > > 4. you must either log back in to the voting account, or remain logged
> > > > in after steps 2 and 3 and then
> > > > 5. you must enter the ID in the appropriate field to fully commit your
> > > > vote (or perhaps even to scrap it, of course there may need to be two or
> > > > more fields for such a purpose).
> > > > 6. all of the above must occur within the specified voting period.
> > > >
> > > > Hope that was more clear.
> > >
> > > Yes. Some observations:
> > >
> > > It gives people a chance to check that their votes were probably
> > > interpreted correctly -- at least on the front-end.
> > >
> > > If the code becomes available for download, programmers can verify the
> > > back-end.
> > >
> > > It doesn't assist people with email-only Internet access (I just googled
> > > for "Internet cafe email-only" so it appears there are quite a few of
> > > these around even in the English-speaking world). Granted, all of our
> > > current members probably have web access... I think it was Joop who
> > > reminded us all that you had to create an account on icannatlarge.org to
> > > become a member.
> > >
> > > It doesn't help with fraudulent additional accounts per person -- but I
> > > think we're all in agreement that that's too difficult to prevent at
> > > this point.
> > >
> > > In conclusion, I think for this election it's fine. I would like to see
> > > our organization expanded to include email-only people in the future,
> > > but for now, this seems ok.
> > >
> > > -s
> > >
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> > Regards,
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 129k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > ================================================================
> > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> > Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801
> >
> >
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>

Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 129k members/stakeholders strong!)
================================================================
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801



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