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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: California Senate Approves Net Tax Bill
James and all fellow members,
You are quite right here James. As this fledgling organization is not
yet legally grounded or defined, it is unlikely that any position that
we as a undefined group could take would be taken seriously, if
paid any attention at all.
Jkhan wrote:
> Jeff, Jefsey et.al. fellow members,
>
> I originally posted the reference, to see how members were prepared to stand
> and handle the issues of Internet Taxes.
>
> It has been my opinion that if this Group does not found itself within the
> constitutional properties of the World's Nations, it will have no sound
> means to allow it into legal venues with these Nation States. They (the
> World's Nation States) will simple reject a complaint on the grounds that
> the body representing the issue is not sufficiently founded in Law and
> therefore dismiss the matter. Most likely on a Summary Judgment. But this is
> speculation on what Court/Bench may decide.
>
> These Taxing issues will most likely expand then contract by tax reprocity
> treaties, however they will not become moderated unless contested by groups,
> perhaps such as Icannatlarge.
>
> It will be interesting to see how the Panel will invent this aspect of
> legitimacy within it's By-Laws/Charter/ Constitution.
>
> We have already seen how Nation States have being to come to grips with
> ccTDLs ( i.e.; the US via ICANN MoU, Re: JFC
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc10/msg01927.html ), the NSO.
>
> This is just the Tip-of-the-Iceberg-Online, .... Patriot Act II,
> Intellectual Property rights, Commerce Trade sanctions and conflicts....
> on, on, on.
> --
>
> These are related article:
>
> http://www.exportassist.com/fscnews.html
>
> http://www.thestandard.com/article/0,1902,18144,00.html
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31342-2003May8.html
>
> http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/5822826.htm
>
> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/121158_amazontax09.html
>
> jk
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> To: "J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin" <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
> Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 1:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] California Senate Approves Net Tax Bill
>
> > Jefsey and all fellow members,
> >
> > Let's see if I can offer some brief answers to some your questions
> > below Jefsey.
> >
> > J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin wrote:
> >
> > > On 10:29 11/05/03, Jeff Williams said:
> > > > >From the below article you quote James:
> > > >"State Senator Alpert issued a press release Thursday stating the bill
> > > >passed and that it clarified "that an out-of-state retailer is
> obligated
> > > >to collect tax on sales to California customers if it has
> > > >representatives operating in the state who repair or service property
> > > >bought from the retailer; it has an ownership interest in a California
> > > >business; or it sells the same products under the same name as the
> > > >California business
> > >
> > > Seems that more or less every business on earth may be said to fall in
> such
> > > lose categories?
> > > What is a retailer on the net? Is someone with a link on his site a
> retailer?
> >
> > Yes he/she/they would be IF they are aiding in any way the sale of that
> > retailer of whatever service or wares they may be selling.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > What is a representative nowadays. TIA may say that you got an e-mail
> with
> > > the retailer.
> > > What is an ownership interest?
> >
> > And ownership interesting the terms of this proposed legislation is
> > a traditional as it applies online or via the Internet/web. That interest
> may
> > be a privately held company or a publically held one. Indeed it may even
> > be a non-profit corp./entity.
> >
> > > If I purchased some stock, or I am on a Fund
> > > whch purchased... TIA will know, I will not.
> >
> > HUH? How would you not know that you purchased the stock
> > and in doing so secured a type of relationship?
> >
> > >
> > > Is it my Franglish? but products are plural and name is singular.
> >
> > GEneric names for instance are not always singular Jefsey, even in
> French!
> > SO again I and gathering here a intent to obviscate or confusion your part
> > in this comment/remark of your. Why do so?
> >
> > > In French
> > > it would mean we talk about a product line? What is a name? Generic or
> TM
> > > (car or Ford mdel so and so)?
> >
> > Your last question just answered you previous two here in part.
> >
> > >
> > > But most of all, how di I know that this is a California customer
> without
> > > asking TIA?
> >
> > The legislation if you read the excerpt that I posted closely, directly
> > and indirectly as well briefly outlines that very clearly.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > All these questions will have an impact since other states will copy or
> > > retaliate (as you know USA were condemned by WTO for 10 billions to
> > > Europe).
> >
> > Where is this WTO contention documented?
> >
> > > This may mare the net, or lead it to be in some case a few large
> > > extranets.
> > > jfc
> > >
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> > Regards,
> >
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 129k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > ================================================================
> > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
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> >
> >
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Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 129k members/stakeholders strong!)
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