RE: [atlarge-discuss] Bruce' s list

["Jeff Holt" <jefftttt@txucom.net>]

@Large members;

Lots of discussion to digest this morning. Speaking of digest, would it
be possible for this email list to have that option such as is available
on other Group/Community forums, i.e. Yahoo?  Which brings to mind, why
reinvent the wheel with any such phpBB "forum" when a more respectable
solution might be to take advantage of the programming prowess of Yahoo
or MSN perhaps?  Anyway, I digress....

The URL for the voting page below is out-of-date, appears to be some who
are listed as Accepted who in reality have withdrawn.  To me, this is
another argument for consolidating all ICANN @Large related discussion
groups into a Yahoo or MSN or SmartGroups or SOMETHING that may be
considered at least predominantly :official" and which may be
centralized.

Also, I agree wholeheartedly with a previous Poster (Abel I believe)
about this forum NOT being a place where personal invective should be
allowed or tolerated. Stand by, more to come on the rest of the list.  

Regards T'all,
 
Jeff Holt 
The Tall Tejas Traveler
 
Life is Too Short.....
NOT to be Tall!
www.tejas-info-services.com
 
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Joop Teernstra [mailto:terastra@terabytz.co.nz] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 6:32 PM
To: abel@able-towers.com; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] Bruce' s list

At 10:36 p.m. 13/05/2003, you wrote:
>If I could find this list, I would be a lot wiser.

www.icannatlarge.org/voting.htm

Information about Nominators and seconds is missing here and the list
has 
not been updated for a week.


>I have been asking whether my nomination was seconded for some time,
and
>have been reading that such was the case.

That's called hearsay.
The voters need to be able to check from the archives.

>In accordance with some rules that the seconding need not be public
>(weird but for now I can live with it) the who and why was not
>disclosed.

Non-public (secret) Nominations or seconds are not democratic.

>If it comes to publicly seconded nominees, then there are far less then
>this "list" suggests, since those endorsements should then be posted to
>this list by the person seconding the nominee. Though paying reasonable
>close attention I have seen very very few, if any.

True.

>If seconding in the polling booth on Joop's site by anonymous people is
>counted as seconding then I do not see why the anon seconding from the
>panel should be treated differently.

The Polling Booth exercise was announced as pre-nomination intended to 
increase participation in the Nomination process. Since the resulting
list 
does not mention Nominators/seconders individually, only in aggregate,
they 
are strictly speaking not valid Nominations and they should be validated
by 
Public Seconding.

Jefsey ought to extend the time for this to happen if he wants to
restore 
the credibility of the process.

>I do repeat however that in the case I am not seconded I will
definitely
>not be a candidate, despite my earlier acceptance under the impression
>of being seconded.

You can be excused for accepting because of the phrasing of  Jefsey's
mail 
to you.


>Dual nomination is seconding as well was stated, in which case I will
>disregard the seconding by Claude Thiellet, since it is not clear that
>he is "his own man" or imaginary (strange that this all of a sudden
>becomes an issue)

It becomes an issue because Jefsey and his "polling committee" neglected
to 
close the voters' list at the time of the election announcement.
If you look at the members list on www.icannatlarge.org, there has been
a 
recent influx of spurious ("Ali Bali") and double entries, who may
receive 
double ballots.


-joop-



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