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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Internet for Users
James and all fellow members,
Jkhan wrote:
> Jeff,
>
> I am asking a very *obvious & transparent* question, that I feel is relevant
> to the forum of this organization.
> Before an Election is held.
>
> Yes it was poised twice, because it is posed at two (2) different Audiences:
I think you mean posed not "Poised" here James..
>
>
> the Membership
> and
> the Candidates
> --
There are no legitimate candidates James. And if there were, they
would also not be a separate audience as they would be members.
Hence my previous comments and follow on question.
>
>
> > Hence any "Metric" would of
> > course have to be reflective of the desire of the members
> > irrespective of "Demographics" in said participation
> > to an AtLarge organization.
>
> " There are two-sides of a Coin "
>
> ... ok ... It's election time the Candidates are lined up, the Membership is
> fired-up and ready to vote!
Again there are no legitimate candidates. Several members have
expressed grave and/or great concerns as to the supposed "Election"
that Jefsey, Eric, and Bruce are trying to conduct.
>
>
> Side 1.
> I feel it important to know; What the Membership which comprises this
> organization is comprised of.
It is comprised of members that are stakeholders/users.
That is all that is or should be of any real importance. Where they
come from is of little or no importance unless they are from countries
that support terrorism in any way.
>
> That is to say, to know *WHY* the people support a certain perspective, be
> it related to:
>
> The interests of *Users* on the demand side,
> The interests of *Industrial Affiliates*
Industrial Affiliates are not individual stakeholders/users. Hence
this is not a factor.
>
> The interests of *Government(so)*
"Government(s)/so" are also not stakeholders/users either as
they are made up of individual stakeholders/users, but in and of
itself a Government is not a stakeholder/user in an atlarge organization.
>
>
> ...so... Is it because they are:
>
> Good Samaritans
These "Types" of stakeholders/users are indeed individuals, but
the demographics of said individual stakeholders/users is not important
unless as I stated above they hail or are from/located in countries
that support terrorism in any way.
>
> Industrial Relatives
Do you have a definitive definition of what this is?
>
> Public Servants
"Public Servants" are another catagory/type of stakeholder/user,
nothing more, or less.
>
> --
> Side 2.
> I feel it important to know; What the Candidates (Potential Panel Members)
> which comprises this organization is comprised of.
> That is to say, to know *WHY* the Candidate support a certain perspective,
> be it related to:
>
> The interests of *Users* on the demand side,
> The interests of *Industrial Affiliates*
> The interests of *Government(so)*
See above answers/comments/remarks.
>
>
> ...so... Is it because they are:
>
> Good Samaritans
> Industrial Relatives
> Public Servants
Again see above comments/remarks.
>
> --
> ...now...
> Because there are different perspectives associated to intrest, the metric's
> of Icannatlarge demographic is important to establish, in order to
> understand the dynamics of People's relationship with Icannatlarge.(*)
Hogwash. This only serves to divide stakeholders/users or
unnecessarily categorize them/us in order to create potential division.
This is no only not useful it is incompatable with any true atlarge
viable structure or organization.
>
>
> The Members have to understand this dynamic, *AND* the Panel have to
> understand this dynamic, BEFORE THE VOTE. As they will be in a Push-N-Pull
> flux, with a metric (an understanding of the boundaries) to keep them within
> tolerance.
Why do the members that are all stakeholders/users have to understand
any such contrived or politically designed nonsense?
>
> I am saying that the two halves must closely match ideologies, in order to
> become successful.
What two halves? There are stakeholders/users in any viable
or true Atlarge organization hence such divisions or categories are
not useful even worth consideration in such a context as you seem to
be attempting to suggest here.
>
>
> Zenith Television Co.: "The quality goes in ... before the name goes on"
> The same applies here, I want to know the quality of the Panel and Members
> of this organization before the name Icannatlarge goes on.
There are legitimate candidates James. But if there were, than just
asking them straight forward questions on issues that effect stakeholders/users
and members would be a much better and more honest approach.
If you wish to engage in metaphysical or meta-political entanglements
of various sorts, than such would be an occurrence that is of little
aid to and atlarge stakeholder/user membership organization
such as ICANNATLARGE.ORG.
>
>
> Regards,
> James Khan
>
> (*) [and to Jefey's credit, he did establish a dialog for this, by asking
> us to send in questions for the vote. However asking questions posed above,
> 'at the time of the vote' would be blind, so I choose to ask them now. ]
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> To: "Jkhan" <Jkhan@MetroMgr.com>
> Cc: "Jan Siren" <sirenj@earthlink.net>; "Joanna Lane" <jo-uk@rcn.com>;
> <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Internet for Users
>
> > James and all fellow members,
> >
> > James, it seems you ask the same question twice. One
> > addressing Panel members, which we do not have at this
> > point in time, and one for members, LOL! What's
> > up with that anyway?
> >
> > In any event, members and future Panel members are one in the
> > same except that the future Panel members will be the servants
> > of the membership at large. Hence any "Metric" would of
> > course have to be reflective of the desire of the members
> > irrespective of "Demographics" in said participation
> > to an Atlagre organization.
> >
> > BTW, I believe that we have already had this question answered
> > and quite a bit of discussion in like regard.
> >
> > Jkhan wrote:
> >
> > > Jan,
> > >
> > > If you would please, two questions:
> > >
> > > What question(s) would you ask, to derive a demographic metric of the
> > > ' Icannatlarge-Member's professional/business' relationship(s), too,
> > > their participation in Icannatlarge?
> > >
> > > What question(s) would you ask, to derive a demographic metric of the
> > > ' Icannatlarge-Panel Member's professional/business' relationship(s),
> > > too, their participation in Icannatlarge?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > James Khan
> > >
> > > What's New at the UN Today!
> > > WIPO
> > > http://www.wipo.org/about-ip/en/studies/publications/domain_names.htm
> > >
> > > http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/
> > >
> > > http://ecommerce.wipo.int/domains/
> > >
> > > ITU
> > > http://www.itu.int/WORLD2003/
> > >
> > > http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/telsurp/TSProjGuidlnsFeb03.pdf
> > >
> > > http://www.itu.int/osg/spu/ni/promotebroadband/index.html
> > >
> > > http://www.itu.int/newsroom/wtd/2003/
> > >
> > >
> > > Joanna Lane wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > James,
> > > > Objection. These are not good questions. They promote a fundamental
> > > > misunderstanding about whois the At Large. At Large exists to
> > > promote the
> > > > interests of *users* on the demand side, as opposed to those on the
> > > supply
> > > > side. Naturally, some of those users will be Individual Domain Name
> > > > Registrants, whose interests are the focus of some candidates, Joop
> > > for
> > > > example, but to imply that domain name issues are the only concerns
> > > of this
> > > > organization, and to omit reference to the general public user
> > > anywhere in
> > > > your questions completely misses the fundamental principles at the
> > > heart of
> > > > the At Large. Put simply, the At Large exists to lobby for the user
> > > interest
> > > > that ICANN ignores. It exists for the benefit of the public, not
> > > domain name
> > > > registrants, individual, corporate or otherwise.
> > > > Joanna
> > >
> > > Joanna, your views are more like my own than those of any candidate
> > > whose
> > > views I know.
> > >
> > > Joop mentioned "legislation against alt roots," "what is spam,"
> > > "arbitrary
> > > seizure," "inadvertent deletes," "bullying cease and desist letters,"
> > > "hijacking," "fee increases, etc." as if these issues are solely of
> > > concern
> > > to domain name owners. But all of these do affect the way *users* use
> > > the
> > > Internet, and accordingly, *users* should be able to assert themselves
> > > about
> > > them through their own at-large constituency.
> > >
> > > I would like to know from the candidates the role the *users* are to
> > > play
> > > in the at-large constituency
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
> > Pierre Abelard
> > ================================================================
> > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> > Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801
> >
> >
> >
>
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Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
Pierre Abelard
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