Re: [atlarge-discuss] Report01

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Abel and all fellow members,

  Yes this issue especially dealing with Thawte was discussed and
debated over two years ago now on the DNSO GA list.  Seems
that most members here are either unaware of those debates/discussions
or are a bit behind the curve, as they say.  In any event your are quite
right various forms and methods of identifying individuals are available
via electronic means such as suing certs. PGP is yet another.

  As you likely know Abel CA's (Certificate Authorities) are of verying
trustworthiness and some are not trustworthy at all.  This of course
has been publicly known for some time and the FTC has quite a bit
of information available on the subject as I pointed to yesterday.  PKI
is becoming a default standard for ecommerce with several levels
and types of  "Certificates" that verify identity by obtaining such.  Level
one certs' are however not verification quality as you also likely know
as well Abel .

  Frankly, I am rather amazed how many members here are seemingly
so far behind the curve in this particular area as so much publicly
available documentation and information is and has been available for
some time now...

Abel Wisman wrote:

> Thawte has a flaw as far as non americans are concerned, beside the high
> cost. As I explained earlier the cost of notarizing is high because in
> most countries outside of america it is not considered or used as much.
>
> Since I however have a Geotrust cert on one of my sites I used this in
> addition to a (publicly accessible and obtainable direct from
> www.companieshouse.co.uk for only £ 2.50)certificate from comanieshouse
> to at least come close to verifying that I am who I portrait to be.
>
> I think we should device several options to ascertain verification,
> thawte being one, others to be thought of by the membership.
>
> Abel
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Micheal Sherrill [mailto:micheal@beethoven.com]
> > Sent: 23 May 2003 02:12
> > To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] Report01
> >
> >
> > One can Photoshop any picture onto a passport and insert text
> > to reflect whatever name and address one wants to present on
> > the Internet.  Third-party verification is paramount to real
> > identities from a distance.  Sotiris Sotiropoulos suggested
> > thawte.com as one way to resolve this issue.  I am sure there
> > are more.  But, we need to follow that path.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > Micheal Sherrill
> >
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > From: Joey Borda **star*walker** <starwalker@gay.com>
> > Date:  Thu, 22 May 2003 19:43:36 -0400
> >
> > At 11:59 AM 5/21/2003 +0100, Abel Wisman wrote:
> >
> > >To me it seems that "picture" is the most important thing to you to
> > >"verify" people, to me however that is the least important
> > thing, since
> > >that is the one thing I can only verify with my own eyes
> > when meeting
> > >in person and then it is no longer of importance. It might be fun to
> > >put a face to a name, but unfortunately the only digital
> > picture(s) of
> > >me are ver few and very old (early 90's)and since I look definitely
> > >different, there is no use in showing them.
> >
> > Abel:
> >
> > Thanks for your response to Report. Sorry for my delay in responding.
> >
> > It is agreed that a photo in and of itself is of little or no
> > value. In the
> > case under discussion herein the report column heading is
> > entitled "Photo
> > in Link." The value of the photo(s) is in their being
> > embedded in publicly
> > available web pages, particularly pages at sites independent of a
> > candidate. We have a good example of this in the instance of
> > Mauro Rios
> > being reported in the next report, Report02, which is nearing
> > publication.
> >
> > The other report column heading is entitled "Photo ID
> > Provided." There
> > again the photo is embedded, even more reliably, in a document.
> >
> > There is a use in providing even expired Photo
> > Identification. It would
> > demonstrate they were in your possession and consistent with
> > your identity
> > in this list.
> >
> > The verification & certification committee is now at three members:
> >
> > Joey Borda/Bordo - starwalker@gay.com
> > Martha Gottlieb - megom@gwi.net
> > Jeff Holt - jefftttt@txucom.net
> >
> > We have satisfied each other that we are who we say we are,
> > with driver
> > license scans, and we can now certify ourselves to you and
> > the rest of the
> > @large members.
> >
> > We will continue to make ourselves available to receive scans
> > of actual
> > identity documents in confidence until Saturday morning at
> > which time we
> > will publish our final report to the members, in time for the
> > election.
> >
> > I think I "safely" speak for all of us on the committee that
> > to gain your
> > confidence in us we will make our identification documents privately
> > available to you and other candidates in advance of you and the other
> > candidates doing so.
> >
> > >However to establish me being real:
> > >
> > >Several people on this list have spoken to me[.]
> >
> > Providing these people's names to us and a way to contact
> > them to confirm
> > your assertion would be evidentiary.
> >
> > >I have been a TF WHOIS
> > >member for 2 years, and I gave the url's to two of my
> > business sites,
> > >though you see no reason for that last part, if you check on
> > >www.able-towers.com you will see a certificate on which you
> > can rely to
> > >make sure that the company running that site is legit.
> >
> > Can you more clearly put out the location of the certificate?
> > I was unable
> > to locate it, or else not understand what I was looking for or at.
> >
> > >Though the phonenumber is outdated ( yes I know I will have to update
> > >that) the remainder is correct, and to give "proof" of the
> > fact that it
> > >is me (which in the end is what we wanted) I have posted a
> > >"companieshouse" certificate with more details on me at
> > >http://www.able-towers.com/verification/04337286_REPA.htm
> > >
> > >I have blanked out the secretary's data.
> >
> > In combination with the paragraph above I am pleased to find that the
> > information tracks.
> >
> > I will say however that while I have volunteered for and have
> > a strong
> > feeling for this task I doubt our ordinary members are going
> > to engage in
> > such a largely barrister/lawyer task I have just put myself
> > through to
> > reach this conclusion.
> >
> > I do not think you do your candidacy favor by expecting that of our
> > membership.Nor likely will a member telephone you. But I just
> > might. Though
> > again this would be an extraordinary expectation in the
> > current life of our
> > organization.
> >
> > >Furthermore my phonenumbers are in the sigfile.
> >
> > Nor likely will a member telephone you. But I just might.
> > Though again this
> > would be an extraordinary expectation in the current life of
> > our organization.
> >
> > >Regards
> > >
> > >Abel
> >
> > I have answered you in this forum rather than privately as I
> > would have
> > preferred as you have raised the matter here.
> >
> > Finally, all that you have brought to our attention will be
> > entered as
> > links in the next report and considered by the committee in
> > it's final
> > deliberations and certification rating conclusions.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > /s/ Joey Borda/Bordo
> >
> > For the Verification & Certification Committee
> >
> > Thursday, May 22, 2003 * 7:40 PM EDT USA
> >
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> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Joey Borda **star*walker** [mailto:starwalker@gay.com]
> > > > Sent: 21 May 2003 02:34
> > > > To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > > > Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Report01
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Members & Candidates:
> > > >
> > > > For everyone's convenience and consideration the first
> > report out of
> > > > the verification and certification committee is now published --
> > > > Report01:
> > > >
> > >http://www.starwalker.org/icannatlarge/verfication_committe_r
> eports/rep
> >o
> >rt01.html
> >
> >Please report additions, omissions, corrections or errors to
> >Committee@starwalker.org.
> >
> >Additional categories will be added as they evolve, with the addition
> >of an anticipated final column -- "Certification Score" -- at the
> >appropriate time using a 5-point scale for overall scoring of linked
> >and submitted materials.
> >
> >Candidates are once again cordially invited to submit additional links
> >and identification documents.
> >
> >Additional members are once again cordially invited to join the
> >verification and certification committee. Write to
> >Committee@starwalker.org.
> >
> >/s/ Joey Borda/Bordo
> >
> >Tuesday, May 20, 2003 * 9:33 PM EDT USA
> >
> >starwalker@gay.com
> >starwalker@starwalker.org
> >
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