[atlarge-discuss] Provisional Membership Committee

["Micheal Sherrill" <micheal@beethoven.com>]

Hello Ron: 

You just wrote another 750 word reply that skirts, once again, the issues.

1.  a mailbox is not a physical address and has little weight for verification
2.  anybody can have a phone number and answer as Jeff Williams (even you)
3.  Jeff Williams was never verified
4.  you defied the repeated requests of many of the committee members to not include 
Jeff Williams in our internal communications because he was not verified

Regards,


Micheal Sherrill


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Ron Sherwood" <sherwood@islands.vi>
Date:  Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:45:27 -0400

Good afternoon, Micheal:

Obviously I do not agree with your assessment of the situation.

I did not list my complaints against Jeff Williams, because that was not the
purpose of my message.  You (and others) have done that repeatedly, and
again in your message copied below. Describing the reasons why this person
is disliked or should not be a committee member has nothing to do with
whether or not  he was offered the option of mail verification (he was) and
whether he chose to use it (he did) and whether or not the verifiers
bothered to attempt that verification (it appears that they did not) or
whether they simply wanted to state that he was not verified (they
apparently did).

If you were to call my published telephone number, and I were to answer with
my name, and we proceeded to discuss this topic (and many others that have
taken place over the past week or so),  you would be a strange bird indeed
if you decided that it was not me that you were talking to. (I did these
things in order to satisfy myself that Jeff Williams was a real person at
the phone number he published).  For you to suggest that my dog might answer
the phone and that you could not tell the difference, does not say very much
for your cognitive skills.

Micheal, don't patronize me with your talk of how the US Postal Service
works.  Either you are looking for excuses or you know less about the USPS
than I do.

The restricted Delivery service is a simple add-on to any of the other
postal services (all those that I listed in fact). it costs $3.50 and is a
requirement that the item be delivered only to a named person against some
sort of ID.  A driver's license is usually good enough, but I have seen all
sorts of ID used, from credit cards to voters registration cards to
passports.

When you try to excuse a failure to even _attempt_ certification by mail, on
the grounds that the United States Mail Service will not cooperate, you are
making a convenient assumption that is totally incorrect.  You may send a
Restricted Delivery letter to me at my mailbox and it is treated like any
other mail except that it will be handed to me personally.  You may not know
this, Micheal, but a huge number of Americans have a mailbox at the end of
their driveway.  In many rural areas, mail is not delivered to homes at all,
but to a block of mailboxes on a road junction somewhere, often many miles
from a remote farm or house.

Strange as it may seem to you, Micheal, some Americans even go to work
occasionally and are not at home when the Mail delivery person calls.  If
the Mailperson has an Express Mail package or a certified letter or a
Restricted Delivery letter or any of the many postal items that cannot be
left in a roadside mailbox, guess what?  Every one of those millions of
Americans are then treated just like those of us who have mailboxes. The
mailman leaves a little card that says, you must come to the counter at the
Post Office to retrieve the package or Restricted Delivery letter or
whatever. It usually advises that the item will be kept for 5 working days
before it is returned to the sender.  When you go to the Post Office to
collect your Restricted Delivery mail you are asked for identification.

Now, why don't you just tell me that you have sent a Restricted Delivery
letter to Jeff Williams and that it was returned because there is no such
person.  That would save you from having to make all those silly excuses for
failing to even try.
Strangely enough, if you had done this last week, the 5 day holding limit
might have kicked in during Jeff's absence, and you would have really had an
opportunity to crow... with a rejected piece of mail in your hand.  Why not
try it now, you might just get lucky.

I do understand that you are likely to try to obscure these facts with fancy
words like verbosity and obtuseness, and to tell me that my verbosity and my
obtuseness have somehow conspired to create a lack of credence for my
assertions, but...  wait a minute, you already did that.  Still, I am sure
you will think of something else.

Best regards to you my friend, Ron Sherwood


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