Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Provisional Membership Committee

[Ivonne Valeria Muņoz Torres <ivonnemunoz@arachnis.net>]

I´m still waiting YOUR answers...

:)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
To: "Ivonne Valeria Muņoz Torres" <ivonnemunoz@arachnis.net>
Cc: "Sebastian Klein" <mail@sebastianklein.de>; "Jeff Holt"
<jefftttt@txucom.net>; "'Joey Borda **star*walker**'" <starwalker@gay.com>;
"'Joop Teernstra'" <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>; "'Kristen Doyle'"
<colk@ixswr.org>; "'Martha Gottlieb'" <megom@gwi.net>; "'Joanna Lane'"
<jo-uk@rcn.com>; "'A/S Mauro D. Rmos'" <mdrios@adinet.com.uy>; "'Micheal
Sherrill'" <micheal@beethoven.com>; "'Ron Sherwood'" <sherwood@islands.vi>;
"'Sotiris Sotiropoulos'" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>; "'Abel Wisman'"
<abel@able-towers.com>; <arebenti@web.de>; <dan@tobias.name>;
<daniel@chirita.org>; <gilbert.lumantao@lycos.com>;
<goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au>; <hblair@hotfootmail.com>; "'atlarge discuss
list'" <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:51 AM
Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Provisional Membership Committee


> Ivonne and all fellow members,
>
> Ivonne Valeria Muņoz Torres wrote:
>
> > "Mr", "Sir", "Lord", "Gentleman"  Jeff Williams:
> >
> > I´m really tired of all your emails..
> >
> > If you really have the value to do my petitions, please, bring us real
> > answers:
> >
> > - Can you send a list of all the false members of the panel?
> > - Can you give us a real argument to justify the farce (as you say)
around
> > the actual panel?
>
>   I did this already 3 times.  Have you been paying attention.
> Danny also listed his suspects.  And I believe that Jeff H.,
> just today made some mention of his two primary candidates
> as well.
>
> >
> >
> > I dont want to initiate a war between us... I dont have the time for
lose it
> > in bizantine discussions...
> >
> > But ... I have the patience....
>
>   Well you may wasn't to also take the time to read all your Email
> or review the archives for this forum over the past 3-4 months.
>
>
> >
> >
> > Ivonne Muņoz
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > To: "Sebastian Klein" <mail@sebastianklein.de>
> > Cc: "Jeff Holt" <jefftttt@txucom.net>; "'Joey Borda **star*walker**'"
> > <starwalker@gay.com>; "'Joop Teernstra'" <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>;
> > "'Kristen Doyle'" <colk@ixswr.org>; "'Martha Gottlieb'" <megom@gwi.net>;
> > "'Joanna Lane'" <jo-uk@rcn.com>; "'A/S Mauro D. Rmos'"
> > <mdrios@adinet.com.uy>; "'Micheal Sherrill'" <micheal@beethoven.com>;
"'Ron
> > Sherwood'" <sherwood@islands.vi>; "'Sotiris Sotiropoulos'"
> > <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>; "'Abel Wisman'" <abel@able-towers.com>;
> > <arebenti@web.de>; <dan@tobias.name>; <daniel@chirita.org>;
> > <gilbert.lumantao@lycos.com>; <goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au>;
> > <hblair@hotfootmail.com>; <ivonnemunoz@arachnis.net>; "'atlarge discuss
> > list'" <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 8:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: Provisional Membership Committee
> >
> > > Sebastian and all fellow members,
> > >
> > >   Well Sebastian, I for one and not supprised that you are
> > > very confused.  The amount of misinformation being
> > > spread around on this forum is fairly significant.  Bottom
> > > line is though, that there has really not been a legitimate
> > > election.  The Jefsey-election was a farce and potentially
> > > a fraud. The Jefsey-election has not been officially and
> > > properly audited, it used a Domain name "EXECLUB.ORG"
> > > that has yet to be approved by the members of ICANNATLARGE.ORG,
> > > and the code Jefsey supposedly used has yet to be published.
> > >
> > >   This is not to mention that even several of the Jefsey-election
> > > false "Panel" members themselves have stated they know it
> > > was a farce and a sham.
> > >
> > >   Put it together and what do you have?
> > >
> > > Sebastian Klein wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello, this is Sebastian Klein speaking maybe for the first time!
> > > >
> > > > Sorry but as I explained it to the [panel] mailing list today, I try
to
> > > > understand what is ongoing in my e-mail box during the last days. I
> > > > found out that it seems to be subscribed to four lists plus the
normal
> > > > mailing list of "official" ICANN@LARGE mail (this is what I think -
I am
> > > > not sure because of the missing information!!!).
> > > >
> > > > A lot of things were confusing and I cannot say that I understand
> > > > everything now but I try to get it as fast as I can.
> > > >
> > > > So I will be more than happy if anyone is able to explain what Jeff
> > > > wrote about my person in his mail of June 12. I really do not think
my
> > > > english is the best and I am not sure I understand everything right!
> > > > Did he thing I will make a fool of this list or what does he mean?
> > > > Sorry, but if he does, I ask him if he can imagine why I am confused
> > > > what is ongoing since my accaptance of nomination...? My answer: The
> > > > ongoing election seems to be a important thing but I definetely do
not
> > > > feel that I became informed in a proper way to understand it clear.
> > > >
> > > > I hope anyone can explain it to me.. thank you very very much to him
or
> > > > her who will help me!
> > > >
> > > > And by the way another problem: To prevent a new chaos of hundred of
> > > > e-mails in my private account, can anyone please change my adress to
> > > > "panel@sebastianklein.de" in the list? I do not know who takes care
> > > > about this list but it is very important for me to stay active!
> > > >
> > > > Sebastian Klein
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Holt schrieb:
> > > >  > Provisional Membership Committee & Panelists-elect;
> > > >  >
> > > >  > The question of Jeffrey A. Williams being a real individual is
now
> > > >  > settled in the affirmative.  Today I have met and had lunch with
Mr.
> > > >  > Williams, viewed several legitimate documents including TDL,
military
> > > >  > id, court documents, and both utility and phone bill statements
> > > >  > addressed to his Frisco P.O. Box.  I found Mr. Williams a
pleasant
> > > >  > conversationalist, well informed and almost as opinionated as
myself.
> > I
> > > >  > trust there will be no further libels regarding his person or
mine.
> > As
> > > >  > soon as the roll of film is developed, I will post a picture of
us
> > > >  > shaking hands on my Website and provide the appropriate URL for
> > viewing;
> > > >  > unfortunately I don't own a digital camera.  I will take the film
to
> > a
> > > >  > one-hour processor on Monday, so enough already.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Sincerely,
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Jeff Holt
> > > >  > Jefftttt@txucom.net
> > > >  > www.tejas-info-services.com
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  > -----Original Message-----
> > > >  > From: Jeff Holt [mailto:jefftttt@txucom.net]
> > > >  > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:41 AM
> > > >  > To: 'Jeff Williams'; 'Joey Borda **star*walker**'
> > > >  > Cc: 'Joop Teernstra'; 'Kristen Doyle'; 'Martha Gottlieb'; 'Joanna
> > Lane';
> > > >  > 'A/S Mauro D. Rmos'; 'Micheal Sherrill'; 'Ron Sherwood'; 'Sotiris
> > > >  > Sotiropoulos'; 'Abel Wisman'; 'arebenti@web.de';
'dan@tobias.name';
> > > >  > 'daniel@chirita.org'; 'gilbert.lumantao@lycos.com';
> > > >  > 'goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au'; 'hblair@hotfootmail.com';
> > > >  > 'ivonnemunoz@arachnis.net'; 'mail@sebastianklein.de'; 'atlarge
> > discuss
> > > >  > list'
> > > >  > Subject: RE: Provisional Membership Committee
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Panelists-elect and PMC members, INCLUDING (for the time being)
Jeff
> > > >  > Williams;
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Enough already....  SS is not the "Lord of Verification" any more
> > than
> > > >  > Ron Sherwood was the "Chair" or "Moderator" for the combined
effort
> > last
> > > >  > weekend.  There is still considerable doubt as to Sebastian Klein
in
> > > >  > many of the minds working on the "Provisional" membership
Committee,
> > but
> > > >  > that is moot for now.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > The Panel-elect has some serious considerations before it and
needs
> > to
> > > >  > focus on creating an atmosphere of trust and solidarity, even
with
> > > >  > differences between individuals on some topics.  I completely
agree
> > with
> > > >  > Joe and Joanna, time to remove the "Provisional", concentrate on
> > > >  > structuring a set of Officers for the Organization to work toward
in
> > a
> > > >  > formal election, and determine a verifiable means of holding an
> > election
> > > >  > for said Officers.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Polling has its place, but at this time I do not see it as being
the
> > > >  > end-all for valid elections.  From reading the Motions before the
> > panel
> > > >  > now, it is clear that there is need for additional clarity in
> > > >  > formulating the wording for Motions and simple goals stated in
plain
> > > >  > English, pardon the expression.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Jeff Williams, if you would like to settle the matter of your
> > identity
> > > >  > once and for all, I can meet with you somewhere in the DFW area
east
> > of
> > > >  > the Loop preferably since I will be driving up I-45 in all
> > probability.
> > > >  > If this cannot be arranged, I am afraid your identity will
forever be
> > a
> > > >  > huge question in everyone's mind, including my own, since I am
making
> > it
> > > >  > as convenient as possible.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > As for Claude, his reticence is difficult for me to understand as
> > well,
> > > >  > but has no bearing now or on the future unless he plans to run
for
> > > >  > Office at some time, in which case he will definitely be subject
to
> > full
> > > >  > verification, as will ALL future candidates for ANY office.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Sincerely,
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Jeff Holt
> > > >  > Jefftttt@txucom.net
> > > >  > www.tejas-info-services.com
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  > -----Original Message-----
> > > >  > From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> > > >  > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:09 PM
> > > >  > To: Joey Borda **star*walker**
> > > >  > Cc: Joop Teernstra; Kristen Doyle; Martha Gottlieb; Jeff Holt;
Joanna
> > > >  > Lane; A/S Mauro D. Rmos; Micheal Sherrill; Ron Sherwood; Sotiris
> > > >  > Sotiropoulos; Abel Wisman; arebenti@web.de; dan@tobias.name;
> > > >  > daniel@chirita.org; gilbert.lumantao@lycos.com;
> > > >  > goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au; hblair@hotfootmail.com;
> > > >  > ivonnemunoz@arachnis.net; mail@sebastianklein.de; atlarge discuss
> > list
> > > >  > Subject: Re: Provisional Membership Committee
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Joey and all fellow members,
> > > >  >
> > > >  >   Please take me off of your CC list in the future as according
> > > >  > to Sotiris I do not actually exist or in his convoluted mind
> > > >  > I am a not whom and what I say I am.  Hence I am NOT
> > > >  > "Verified" in Lord Sotiris's court of jesters...
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > > "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
> > >     Pierre Abelard
> > > ===============================================================
> > > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> > > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > > E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> > > Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801
> > >
> > >
>
> Regards,
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders strong!)
> "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
>     Pierre Abelard
> ===============================================================
> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801
>
>
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