Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Provisional Membership Committee

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Ivonne and all fellow members,

  I gave you my answer.  I posted that information 3 times.
See archives of this forum.  And do us all a favor and try
to pay better attention if you would please.

Thank you for your cooperation in advance Ivonne.
Forum archives are located here:http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/

Ivonne Valeria Muņoz Torres wrote:

> I´m still waiting YOUR answers...
>
> :)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> To: "Ivonne Valeria Muņoz Torres" <ivonnemunoz@arachnis.net>
> Cc: "Sebastian Klein" <mail@sebastianklein.de>; "Jeff Holt"
> <jefftttt@txucom.net>; "'Joey Borda **star*walker**'" <starwalker@gay.com>;
> "'Joop Teernstra'" <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>; "'Kristen Doyle'"
> <colk@ixswr.org>; "'Martha Gottlieb'" <megom@gwi.net>; "'Joanna Lane'"
> <jo-uk@rcn.com>; "'A/S Mauro D. Rmos'" <mdrios@adinet.com.uy>; "'Micheal
> Sherrill'" <micheal@beethoven.com>; "'Ron Sherwood'" <sherwood@islands.vi>;
> "'Sotiris Sotiropoulos'" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>; "'Abel Wisman'"
> <abel@able-towers.com>; <arebenti@web.de>; <dan@tobias.name>;
> <daniel@chirita.org>; <gilbert.lumantao@lycos.com>;
> <goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au>; <hblair@hotfootmail.com>; "'atlarge discuss
> list'" <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:51 AM
> Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Provisional Membership Committee
>
> > Ivonne and all fellow members,
> >
> > Ivonne Valeria Muņoz Torres wrote:
> >
> > > "Mr", "Sir", "Lord", "Gentleman"  Jeff Williams:
> > >
> > > I´m really tired of all your emails..
> > >
> > > If you really have the value to do my petitions, please, bring us real
> > > answers:
> > >
> > > - Can you send a list of all the false members of the panel?
> > > - Can you give us a real argument to justify the farce (as you say)
> around
> > > the actual panel?
> >
> >   I did this already 3 times.  Have you been paying attention.
> > Danny also listed his suspects.  And I believe that Jeff H.,
> > just today made some mention of his two primary candidates
> > as well.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I dont want to initiate a war between us... I dont have the time for
> lose it
> > > in bizantine discussions...
> > >
> > > But ... I have the patience....
> >
> >   Well you may wasn't to also take the time to read all your Email
> > or review the archives for this forum over the past 3-4 months.
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ivonne Muņoz
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > > To: "Sebastian Klein" <mail@sebastianklein.de>
> > > Cc: "Jeff Holt" <jefftttt@txucom.net>; "'Joey Borda **star*walker**'"
> > > <starwalker@gay.com>; "'Joop Teernstra'" <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>;
> > > "'Kristen Doyle'" <colk@ixswr.org>; "'Martha Gottlieb'" <megom@gwi.net>;
> > > "'Joanna Lane'" <jo-uk@rcn.com>; "'A/S Mauro D. Rmos'"
> > > <mdrios@adinet.com.uy>; "'Micheal Sherrill'" <micheal@beethoven.com>;
> "'Ron
> > > Sherwood'" <sherwood@islands.vi>; "'Sotiris Sotiropoulos'"
> > > <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>; "'Abel Wisman'" <abel@able-towers.com>;
> > > <arebenti@web.de>; <dan@tobias.name>; <daniel@chirita.org>;
> > > <gilbert.lumantao@lycos.com>; <goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au>;
> > > <hblair@hotfootmail.com>; <ivonnemunoz@arachnis.net>; "'atlarge discuss
> > > list'" <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 8:29 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Provisional Membership Committee
> > >
> > > > Sebastian and all fellow members,
> > > >
> > > >   Well Sebastian, I for one and not supprised that you are
> > > > very confused.  The amount of misinformation being
> > > > spread around on this forum is fairly significant.  Bottom
> > > > line is though, that there has really not been a legitimate
> > > > election.  The Jefsey-election was a farce and potentially
> > > > a fraud. The Jefsey-election has not been officially and
> > > > properly audited, it used a Domain name "EXECLUB.ORG"
> > > > that has yet to be approved by the members of ICANNATLARGE.ORG,
> > > > and the code Jefsey supposedly used has yet to be published.
> > > >
> > > >   This is not to mention that even several of the Jefsey-election
> > > > false "Panel" members themselves have stated they know it
> > > > was a farce and a sham.
> > > >
> > > >   Put it together and what do you have?
> > > >
> > > > Sebastian Klein wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello, this is Sebastian Klein speaking maybe for the first time!
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry but as I explained it to the [panel] mailing list today, I try
> to
> > > > > understand what is ongoing in my e-mail box during the last days. I
> > > > > found out that it seems to be subscribed to four lists plus the
> normal
> > > > > mailing list of "official" ICANN@LARGE mail (this is what I think -
> I am
> > > > > not sure because of the missing information!!!).
> > > > >
> > > > > A lot of things were confusing and I cannot say that I understand
> > > > > everything now but I try to get it as fast as I can.
> > > > >
> > > > > So I will be more than happy if anyone is able to explain what Jeff
> > > > > wrote about my person in his mail of June 12. I really do not think
> my
> > > > > english is the best and I am not sure I understand everything right!
> > > > > Did he thing I will make a fool of this list or what does he mean?
> > > > > Sorry, but if he does, I ask him if he can imagine why I am confused
> > > > > what is ongoing since my accaptance of nomination...? My answer: The
> > > > > ongoing election seems to be a important thing but I definetely do
> not
> > > > > feel that I became informed in a proper way to understand it clear.
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope anyone can explain it to me.. thank you very very much to him
> or
> > > > > her who will help me!
> > > > >
> > > > > And by the way another problem: To prevent a new chaos of hundred of
> > > > > e-mails in my private account, can anyone please change my adress to
> > > > > "panel@sebastianklein.de" in the list? I do not know who takes care
> > > > > about this list but it is very important for me to stay active!
> > > > >
> > > > > Sebastian Klein
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff Holt schrieb:
> > > > >  > Provisional Membership Committee & Panelists-elect;
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > The question of Jeffrey A. Williams being a real individual is
> now
> > > > >  > settled in the affirmative.  Today I have met and had lunch with
> Mr.
> > > > >  > Williams, viewed several legitimate documents including TDL,
> military
> > > > >  > id, court documents, and both utility and phone bill statements
> > > > >  > addressed to his Frisco P.O. Box.  I found Mr. Williams a
> pleasant
> > > > >  > conversationalist, well informed and almost as opinionated as
> myself.
> > > I
> > > > >  > trust there will be no further libels regarding his person or
> mine.
> > > As
> > > > >  > soon as the roll of film is developed, I will post a picture of
> us
> > > > >  > shaking hands on my Website and provide the appropriate URL for
> > > viewing;
> > > > >  > unfortunately I don't own a digital camera.  I will take the film
> to
> > > a
> > > > >  > one-hour processor on Monday, so enough already.
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > Sincerely,
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > Jeff Holt
> > > > >  > Jefftttt@txucom.net
> > > > >  > www.tejas-info-services.com
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >  > From: Jeff Holt [mailto:jefftttt@txucom.net]
> > > > >  > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:41 AM
> > > > >  > To: 'Jeff Williams'; 'Joey Borda **star*walker**'
> > > > >  > Cc: 'Joop Teernstra'; 'Kristen Doyle'; 'Martha Gottlieb'; 'Joanna
> > > Lane';
> > > > >  > 'A/S Mauro D. Rmos'; 'Micheal Sherrill'; 'Ron Sherwood'; 'Sotiris
> > > > >  > Sotiropoulos'; 'Abel Wisman'; 'arebenti@web.de';
> 'dan@tobias.name';
> > > > >  > 'daniel@chirita.org'; 'gilbert.lumantao@lycos.com';
> > > > >  > 'goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au'; 'hblair@hotfootmail.com';
> > > > >  > 'ivonnemunoz@arachnis.net'; 'mail@sebastianklein.de'; 'atlarge
> > > discuss
> > > > >  > list'
> > > > >  > Subject: RE: Provisional Membership Committee
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > Panelists-elect and PMC members, INCLUDING (for the time being)
> Jeff
> > > > >  > Williams;
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > Enough already....  SS is not the "Lord of Verification" any more
> > > than
> > > > >  > Ron Sherwood was the "Chair" or "Moderator" for the combined
> effort
> > > last
> > > > >  > weekend.  There is still considerable doubt as to Sebastian Klein
> in
> > > > >  > many of the minds working on the "Provisional" membership
> Committee,
> > > but
> > > > >  > that is moot for now.
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > The Panel-elect has some serious considerations before it and
> needs
> > > to
> > > > >  > focus on creating an atmosphere of trust and solidarity, even
> with
> > > > >  > differences between individuals on some topics.  I completely
> agree
> > > with
> > > > >  > Joe and Joanna, time to remove the "Provisional", concentrate on
> > > > >  > structuring a set of Officers for the Organization to work toward
> in
> > > a
> > > > >  > formal election, and determine a verifiable means of holding an
> > > election
> > > > >  > for said Officers.
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > Polling has its place, but at this time I do not see it as being
> the
> > > > >  > end-all for valid elections.  From reading the Motions before the
> > > panel
> > > > >  > now, it is clear that there is need for additional clarity in
> > > > >  > formulating the wording for Motions and simple goals stated in
> plain
> > > > >  > English, pardon the expression.
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > Jeff Williams, if you would like to settle the matter of your
> > > identity
> > > > >  > once and for all, I can meet with you somewhere in the DFW area
> east
> > > of
> > > > >  > the Loop preferably since I will be driving up I-45 in all
> > > probability.
> > > > >  > If this cannot be arranged, I am afraid your identity will
> forever be
> > > a
> > > > >  > huge question in everyone's mind, including my own, since I am
> making
> > > it
> > > > >  > as convenient as possible.
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > As for Claude, his reticence is difficult for me to understand as
> > > well,
> > > > >  > but has no bearing now or on the future unless he plans to run
> for
> > > > >  > Office at some time, in which case he will definitely be subject
> to
> > > full
> > > > >  > verification, as will ALL future candidates for ANY office.
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > Sincerely,
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > Jeff Holt
> > > > >  > Jefftttt@txucom.net
> > > > >  > www.tejas-info-services.com
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >  > From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> > > > >  > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:09 PM
> > > > >  > To: Joey Borda **star*walker**
> > > > >  > Cc: Joop Teernstra; Kristen Doyle; Martha Gottlieb; Jeff Holt;
> Joanna
> > > > >  > Lane; A/S Mauro D. Rmos; Micheal Sherrill; Ron Sherwood; Sotiris
> > > > >  > Sotiropoulos; Abel Wisman; arebenti@web.de; dan@tobias.name;
> > > > >  > daniel@chirita.org; gilbert.lumantao@lycos.com;
> > > > >  > goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au; hblair@hotfootmail.com;
> > > > >  > ivonnemunoz@arachnis.net; mail@sebastianklein.de; atlarge discuss
> > > list
> > > > >  > Subject: Re: Provisional Membership Committee
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > Joey and all fellow members,
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  >   Please take me off of your CC list in the future as according
> > > > >  > to Sotiris I do not actually exist or in his convoluted mind
> > > > >  > I am a not whom and what I say I am.  Hence I am NOT
> > > > >  > "Verified" in Lord Sotiris's court of jesters...
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > > > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > > > "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
> > > >     Pierre Abelard
> > > > ===============================================================
> > > > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> > > > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > > > E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> > > > Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > Regards,
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
> >     Pierre Abelard
> > ===============================================================
> > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> > Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801
> >
> >
> >
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Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
    Pierre Abelard
===============================================================
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801



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