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RE: [atlarge-discuss] Proposal: How to Replace Panel Members...



Dear all,

The elections were wrapped in a strange atmosphere. Warlike many times.

What happened during the elections and later on, when the ghosts of the
bodies should be separated in the elected Panel, didn't help to stimulate
the members to participate, it was also already known that the participation
of the mass of members is little and it was always very little.

The candidates NON elects, are, after the elections, simply part of the mass
of members, to accuse them of not participating in the work of elected Panel
and of the discussions of the elected Panel, it is to accuse all the members
of not participating in these topics.

If we remember, after the elections it was tried to discuss the statutes in
a collective and massive way, the result was a chaos in the list.

On the other hand, like in all representative democracy, it is obvious which
the task of the representatives is and represented. For that if the idea is
to claim a direct democracy in each topic, the elections don't make sense.
But worse even, the Panel loses the effective capacity and practice of
making things.

.............
[ES] Las elecciones mismas estuvieron envueltas en un ambiente extraño.
Muchas veces bélico.

Lo que sucedió durante las elecciones y posteriormente, cuando se debieron
apartar los fantasmas de los cuerpos en el Panel elegido, no ayudó a
estimular a los miembros a participar, además ya era sabido que la
participación de la masa de miembros es poca y siempre fue muy poca.

Los candidatos NO elegidos, son, luego de las elecciones, simplemente parte
de la masa de miembros, acusarlos de no participar en el trabajo de Panel
elegido y de las discusiones del Panel elegido, es acusar a todos los
miembros de no participar en estos tópicos.

Si recordamos, luego de las elecciones se intentó discutir los estatutos de
forma colectiva y masiva, el resultado fue un caos en la lista.

Por otro lado, como en toda democracia representativa, es obvio cuál es la
tarea de los representantes y representados. Por que si la idea es reclamar
un democracia directa en cada tópico, las elecciones no tienen sentido. Pero
peor aun, el Panel pierde la capacidad efectiva y práctica de hacer cosas.


greetings,
Mauro.-


-----Mensaje original-----
De: Walter Schmidt [mailto:walts@dorsai.org]
Enviado el: Jueves, 03 de Julio de 2003 01:19 p.m.
Para: Atlarge Discuss List
CC: Walter Schmidt
Asunto: RE: [atlarge-discuss] Proposal: How to Replace Panel Members...


On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Jeff Holt wrote:

> Absolutely NOT!  And let those seated fill the remaining chairs with
> their cronies of like mind?  That would be a prescription for the
> formation of a "ruling class" or clique....

   ...let me try and understand this

We elected a panel of 11 who garnered over 57% of our vote, averaging a
little over 5% of the votes each. They are our panel, elected by us,
initially "new" to each other, and now having worked together.  They have
been active.

The unelected 16 have, for all extent and purposes, disappeared back into
that from which they came.

But, when our Panel asks us for some guidance, when we have seen neither
hide nor hair of the unelected 16 since the election, a group by the
way who averaged only a little over half the votes each - 2.6%:
 - we refuse to react to the new facts
 - we all of a sudden call our Panel "cronies"
 - and we suggest that if they were to suggest individuals to fill
vacancies that would be "a prescription for the formation of a "ruling
class" or clique"

Huh?

I would rather be proactive and make changes as the facts demand, than
hang my hat on the fact that "well, that's what we said we would do,
yesterday..."

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