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Re: [atlarge-discuss] A Fully Active Panel...
Mauro and all fellow members,
A/S Mauro D. Ríos wrote:
> Jeff,
>
> One cannot speak of the broken bridge without showing the hole.
Done that repeatedly and the specific evidence is in the
archives of this forum as well as other already diciminated
locations/archives.
>
>
> I would thank you a lot if you enumerate me your arguments to disqualify
> this organization, the elections and all the members that have voted trying
> to give beginning to a constructive road.
Only a little over 200 members voted in a fraudulent election
that has yet to be audited by any official audit service of
any licensed creditability. That will come back to haunt
this fledgling organization at some point, and perhaps soon.
>
>
> I know that you have contributed a lot of ink to the list on this topic, but
> I find that much of that ink has finished with other colors and diversifying
> the points of view to lands that anything or little has to do with @Large or
> anything or little affects @Large.
>
> The verbosity is not good friend to defend a point of view.
That may be your point of view. And perhaps others as well.
But it is not well supported and certainly not well substantiated
historically.
>
>
> Would also be appreciated you comment these arguments concretely, I don't
> want to read to philosophize of @Large and thousand and a thematic
> derivations as I have seen in the list of those who are placing stones in
> the road.
I dislike stones in the road as well. As Eric, Jefsey and Bruce have
introduced such stones, they now must be removed or gone around
in order to positively, honestly and skillfully continue down
a positive road...
>
> With pleasure we can exchange e-mails privately. Really desire to understand
> your point of view for that I don't share it at all. All know me and they
> know that I respect the opinion of all, for that reason I want to understand
> your position. Mainly for that I am convinced that opponent's position is
> easy, but when somebody is opposed something it should be for that has an
> alternative.
Anything dealing with this organization that may effect the members
must be discussed in the open and not behind the scenes so to speak
as doing the latter lead to increasing distrust and breads dishonesty.
>
>
> The organizations improve from inside, not to the margin. The institutions
> are built from inside not from the sidewalk in front.
I along with a number of other folks built my company from the
outside in. INEGroup was also built from the outside in as well.
I can give you a number of other examples, but such such
should be sufficient...
>
>
> I promise you to respond minutely each one of your arguments against @Large,
> let us maybe coincide in some, but I believe that we won't coincide in none.
>
> greetings,
> Mauro. -
>
> ............................
> [ES] No se puede hablar del puente roto sin mostrar el agujero.
>
> Yo te agradecería mucho si me enumeras tus argumentos para descalificar a
> esta organización, las elecciones y todos los miembros que han votado
> intentando dar comienzo a un camino constructivo.
>
> Se que has aportado mucha tinta a la lista sobre este tema, pero me parece
> que mucha de esa tinta ha terminado con otros colores y diversificando los
> puntos de vista a terrenos que nada o poco tienen que ver con @Large o nada
> o poco afectan a @Large.
>
> La verborragia no es buena amiga para defender un punto de vista.
>
> También te agradecería me comentes concretamente estos argumentos, no
> quiciera leer filosofar sobre @Large y mil y una derivaciones temáticas como
> he visto en la lista de quienes están colocando piedras en el camino.
>
> Con gusto podemos intercambiar e-mails privadamente. Realmente deseo
> entender tu punto de vista por que no lo comparto en absoluto. Todos me
> conocen y saben que respeto la opinión de todos, por eso quiero entender tu
> posición. Sobre todo por que estoy convencido que la posición de opositor es
> fácil, pero cuando alguien se opone a algo debe ser por que tiene una
> alternativa.
>
> Las organizaciones se mejoran desde adentro, no al margen. Las instituciones
> se construyen desde adentro no desde la vereda de enfrente.
>
> Te prometo responder minuciosamente cada uno de tus argumentos en contra de
> @Large, quizá coincidamos en alguno, pero creo que no coincidiremos en
> ninguno.
>
> saludos,
> Mauro.-
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> Enviado el: Miércoles, 09 de Julio de 2003 12:02 a.m.
> Para: Atlarge Discuss List
> Asunto: Re: [atlarge-discuss] A Fully Active Panel...
>
> Mauro and all fellow members,
>
> I am truly sorry that you or any member is stressed by the
> truth. But sometimes the truth is stressful and must also sometimes
> be repeated in order for those that refuse to accept it to take
> honest head to it.
>
> The truth is also becoming more well known amongst
> other organizations, governments, and law enforcement
> agencies around the globe, regarding this fledgling
> organization as has been pointed out from time to time
> on this forum.
>
> You are right Mauro that either we start anew, or possibly we
> may need to clean up the mess that Jefsey, Eric, and Bruce
> yet again have created unnecessarily for the members of this
> fledgling organization.
>
> A/S Mauro D. Ríos wrote:
>
> > Dear All,
> >
> > I have listened this too many times: "the panel is not legitimate."
> > If it is this way and if this that we denominate Panel is only a "group of
> > members managing the organization", what does it impede to other 100 or
> 1000
> > members to be added to this group of people to contribute and to manage
> the
> > organization?. How they say here, there would be more caciques than
> Indians.
> >
> > I believe that everything has a beginning point, in the case of @Large has
> > already attempted it other times and it always finishes on the dot zero,
> > reason why this it is a new beginning point and we should assume this way
> > it. The first election in the French Republic was not perfect, the
> democracy
> > of the Greeks was but restricted that a police sation, the Swiss
> > organization of its so particular democracy was rejected in the beginning.
> >
> > Gentlemen, if we continue saying that this panel is illegitimate, please,
> > let us make silence, let us suspend the whole activity and let us begin to
> > work to organize a new "legitimate" election, but to continue in these
> gray
> > areas only harms to @Large, internally and toward out since are in front
> of
> > the eyes of many external people and many other organizations.
> >
> > greetings,
> > Mauro. -
> >
> > .............................
> > [ES] He escuchado esto demasiadas veces: "el panel no es legítimo".
> > Si es así y si esto que denominamos Panel es sólo un "grupo de miembros
> > manejando la organización", ¿qué impide a otros 100 o 1000 miembros
> sumarse
> > a este grupo de personas a contribuir y manejar la organización?. Cómo
> dicen
> > aquí, habría más caciques que indios.
> >
> > Creo que todo tiene un punto de inicio, en el caso de @Large ya lo ha
> > intentado otras veces y termina siempre en punto cero, por lo cual este es
> > un nuevo punto de inicio y debemos asumirlo así. La primera elección en la
> > República Francesa no fue perfecta, la democracia de los Griegos era mas
> > restringida que una comisaría, la organización suiza de su tan particular
> > democracia fue rechazada en el inicio.
> >
> > Caballeros, si continuamos diciendo que este panel es ilegítimo, por
> favor,
> > hagamos silencio, suspendamos toda la actividad y comencemos a trabajar
> para
> > organizar una nueva elección "legítima", pero continuar en estas zonas
> > grises sólo hace daño a @Large, internamente y hacia afuera ya que estamos
> > frente a los ojos de muchas personas externas y muchas otras
> organizaciones.
> >
> > saludos,
> > Mauro.-
> >
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> > Enviado el: Martes, 08 de Julio de 2003 06:09 a.m.
> > Para: Walter Schmidt
> > CC: Atlarge Discuss List
> > Asunto: Re: [atlarge-discuss] A Fully Active Panel...
> >
> > Walter and all fellow members,
> >
> > There are no legitimate Panel members. We are seeing a repeat
> > of the previous panel nonsense.
> >
> > This is a membership driven organization. Hence
> > any policy must be approved by the members vote.
> >
> > There is not now, nor has there ever been a need for
> > any member here to "Volunteer" as "Unpaid" for
> > any actual "Work" of this fledgling organization.
> > So complaining in defense of any member here
> > of not being paid is a ruse and should be treated
> > as such.
> >
> > Walter Schmidt wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, it was written:
> > >
> > > > We deserve and need a fully active panel representing our group.
> > >
> > > ...and that's what we have - especially when we remember they are all
> > > unpaid volunteers!
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > --- REgards, walts@dorsai.org Walter C. Schmidt, IT CPA Blue(^) ---
> > > - - Microsoft MVP - Windows XP Media Center Edition - HPMC 873n ---
> > > - - Associate Expert - Expert Zone - -
> > > --- http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ ---
> > > - - http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/columns/schmidt/ ---
> > > - - 52 Ken http://www.dorsai.org/~walts/ Sun 57 - -
> > >
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> > Regards,
> >
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
> > Pierre Abelard
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> Regards,
>
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders strong!)
> "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
> Pierre Abelard
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> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
Pierre Abelard
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Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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