Re: [ICANN-EU] Im am sorry, this list is too noisy.

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Jefsey and all,

  I am sorry to say that it seem obvious that Alf is of the opinion that
the policy decisions should not be driven from the AL, but from
the elected representatives with or without the AL's members consent.
As such it is our belief that this came out clearly from Alf's comments
while the election was underway and from the subject line of this
thread.

  With this as a backdrop, as spokesman for [INEGRoup] I would like
to address some of your points below, Jefsey....
(See more below)

Jefsey Morfin wrote:

> Dear Alf,
> I think there is only one alternative:
>
> - either the @large concept, inherited from Karl Auerbach can
>    develop in the ICANN and disseminate in other areas of the
>    internet governance, as a representation of the users parallel
>    to a representation of the structures [corporations, lobbies,
>    governments, ...] what we progressively see in all the developped
>    countries BoDs. I note that this is the sprit and the letter of the
>    by laws. The ICANN is a common service to all the users, the
>    real boss are the users.

  Indeed the real boss as you put it is or should be the Stakeholders,
(Your term users).

>
>
>    In this case the ICANN has a real use, a support, and will last.
>    We may discuss and solve in common the TLD issue and start
>    working on a smart approach of the IP addressing scheme in
>    the best interest of every one and to reduce costs.

  Agreed.

>
>
> - or the ICANN misses the point and tries to control its @large
>    constituency as it did with the DNSO. This will result in the
>    continuation of the petty current waring at user level and a
>    lack of user support when ICANN will have to confront the
>    diverging large corporation interests. This is a continuation of
>    the current disrespect of the by laws and to some extent of its
>    charter. The ICANN wants to becomes a stand alone world
>    governance of the Internet. The real boss are the lobbies.

  And this is a bad alternative.  But one that has thus far been predominant
and one that it seems Alf would prefer.

>
>
>    In this case all the treated inequal interests will develop
>    alternatives to the ICANN while large interest will take control
>    of it. ICANN will may be survive 2001 (?). Tensions will stay
>    concerning TLDs, the IP scheme will not be treated seriously
>    with a dramatic cost increase for many new services and
>    innovations.

  A likely scenario should the current alternative remain the status quo.
Also this would not be good for the "Stability of the Internet", which is
a priority of the White Paper and mandate for ICANN.

>
>
>     We have a well known tale in French poestry about the
>     Frog which wanted to be a Bull.
>
> The decision fork is now. I read your mail as a support to the second
> part of the alternative as a "peace and order" option. As if the
> icann-europe ML was only for you a tool to be elected.

  And fortunately for the AL member and stakeholder Alf was defeated.

>
>
> Do not be dismayed. The list wants now to be a tool to work and
> build. The challenging part is now.

  Good!  Lets hope this attitude prevails Alf's position not withstanding.

>
> Jefsey
>
> At 23:06 14/10/00, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >This list was very useful during the At Large Electon.
> >Right now, the list is too noisy.
> >The ICANN q&a forum was easy to handle for the candidates, because there
> >was some structure. I do not think this list has enough structure and
> >will give Andy useful input.
> >There are too many "second agendas".
> >I do not know when and how a scalable European At Large Forum will be
> >available.
> >Until then, please do not expect comments from me.
> >Good luck, and I hope to see some of you in LA!
> >Best regards,
> >--
> >Alf Hansen                      Mail address:
> >                                       UNINETT FAS A/S
> >aha@uninett.no               N-7465 Trondheim, Norway
> >Home page:                     Phone: +47 73 55 79 00
> >http://domen.uninett.no/~alf/ Fax:   +47 73 55 79 01

Regards,

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