RE: [atlarge-discuss] RE: [atlarge-panel] Fw:[atlarge-discuss] ALOC

["Judith Oppenheimer" <joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com>]

> Well, I'm not keen on characterizing anyone as the devil --
> all humans have the potential for good or for evil, and I've
> been called a few names myself on occasion for having strong
> opinions and the nerve to express them colourfully.

As have I, but when you think Esther, think Enron.   Think of a financially
and politically motivated snake-oil salesman, for whom betrayal is a
consistent modus operandi.

You and I can have differing strong opinions and the confidence to speak
our minds -- but we're not in each other's pockets, and I don't feel you
pulling the rug out from under me at every turn (nor visa versa).

J

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: espresso@e-scape.net [mailto:espresso@e-scape.net]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:32 AM
> To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] RE: [atlarge-panel]
> Fw:[atlarge-discuss]
> ALOC
>
>
> At 21:12 -0700 2002/08/08, eric@hi-tek.com wrote:
> >Oh goodness,
> >
> >Absolutely conferring with Ester is not outreach but dead wrong.
> >This is not reaching the communities but sticking ones hand in the
> >mouth of the devil as far as outreach is concerned.  I personally
> >have been bit by this viper.
> >Cheat me once shame on you, cheat me twice, shame on me.
> >Get in bed with the cheat and triple shame on you and me.
> >VB, SS, DY and I have all been cajoled by the Denise/Ester Show.
> >
> >No we have authorized no one to do business with them.
> >What say ye Judith and Jefsey?
>
> Well, I'm not keen on characterizing anyone as the devil --
> all humans have the potential for good or for evil, and I've
> been called a few names myself on occasion for having strong
> opinions and the nerve to express them colourfully.
>
> I agree that there's no good reason to call contact with
> ICANN or its subsidiaries and affiliates as "outreach". To
> me, that term means specifically extending a hand to members
> of the general public rather than entrenched institutions.
> The expression that springs to my mind for the latter is
> "negotiating from a position of strength" but we're not there
> yet, either.
>
> Finally, though, I think Eric is right that the membership
> has not mandated anyone to do business with ICANN but wrong
> if he thinks that means our elected panel can't talk to ICANN
> at all. Were that the case, we'd be handicapping ourselves
> badly by refusing to let our Panel keep abreast of discussions there.
>
> The big thing is for our Panel and anyone we delegate to
> participate in a particular discussion on our behalf to
> remember that they don't (at least, don't yet) have a mandate
> to *speak for* the membership. We've got to get organized
> well enough and quickly enough to have an organization with
> policies and procedures ratified by its members, and officers
> and directors elected to implement them and express them to
> the outside world. Until then,  our representatives have the
> option of consulting the membership by e-mail (since we do
> presumably have *that* database available) and calling for a
> specific mandate when one is needed.
>
> "HTH", as they say,
>
> Judyth
>
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