Re: [atlarge-discuss] Our New Name Isn't...

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Curtis and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,

  The only big problem here is three fold.  1.) ICANNATLARGE.ORG
was in Jefseys hands and could have been transferred to us for use
as was voted upon by the members, of which Jefsey is one. 2.)
ATLARGE.ORG is also not in our hands and I have yet to see
Marc, post anything regarding these two DN's now in his hands,
contrary to you contention.  Do you have the archived E-Mail
URL that states that Marc is willing to do so?  Please post it
if you do, as I do not see it in the archives for this forum.
3.) We have taken a big step backwards in our democratic
process for this organization as we no longer have an official
DN presence as the members desire, and we have Richards
motion that is seconded that would potentially eliminate
any DN that has the string "ICANN" as part of that DN.
This limits our choices somewhat, and in that I have offered
ICANN-INT-ATLARGE.ORG as well as Jefsey has also
offered ICANN-ATLARGE.ORG, which still resolves, we
may not be able to use them if Richards motion is excepted.

  Ergo in my mind as I have been saying all along, such motions
that would put a limit of this nature upon our yet again need to
select a DN via Richards motion, is restricting us unnecessarily,
impeding progress on other important issues, and shows
how we have now taken a step backwards, when we need to move
forwards quickly and decisively.

  It is true as you state Curtis that we can always determine another
main DN for our purposes.  Sotiris has offered WORLDATLARGE.ORG
for instance.  But we are showing more how we cannot work together
instead of how we can and need to work together...

Curtis M. Kularski wrote:

> At-Large,
> I have been watching this thread (and its twins) for over 24 hours now,
> and I don't see what the big problem is.
>
> Here is what I see:
>         We voted on ICANNATLARGE.ORG, ATLARGE.ORG came in second; Marc
> has control of both.
>
> I can see where this can be a bit annoying, but there are other domains
> that will work for the organization without being a big problem. You
> people are still assuming that Marc is an evil DN tyrant who is out to
> make money from this organization. As I understand it, Marc has been
> contacted and his is in Germany away from a reliable connection, but he
> responded, and it appears as though he is willing to discuss the
> possibility of giving the domain to the organization.
>
> Does anyone have the .INT registration requirements handy? I can't seem
> to find them.  Once the organization is official, I can see where an INT
> domain could become possible, if I am remembering the requirements
> properly.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Curtis M. Kularski
> Certified Novell Administrator
> curtis@kularski.net
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:26 PM
> To: DPF
> Cc: Joop Teernstra; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Our New Name Isn't...
>
> Dave and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
>
> DPF wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 06 Oct 2002 17:22:18 +1300, Joop Teernstra
> > <terastra@terabytz.co.nz> wrote:
> > >At 09:56 p.m. 3/10/2002 +0000, David Farrar wrote:
> > >
> > >>Another issue worth looking at is whether we should form a sub
> grouping of
> > >>members who are domain name holders and petition for recognition as
> a GNSO
> > >>constituency.
> > >
> > >>I believe that the grounds which IDNO got rejected on would not
> > >>apply here and that this organisation offers the best chance of
> getting an
> > >>individual registrants voice in the GNSO.
> > >
> > >Not disagreeing with the suggestion, can you please enlighten us on
> what "
> > >grounds which IDNO got rejected on "?
> > >As such denial of our petition was never officially made, this is
> something
> > >I have forever been trying  to find out from the Board and if you
> know the
> > >answer it would be very useful to let the members here know.
> >
> > Oh you are right that no formal answer was ever give (which was
> > disgraceful).  However from I picked up the membership numbers at the
> > time were not high enough to overcome questions of representativeness.
>
>   The real reason was Dave, that the IDNO was never a legal entity
> at that time.  Sound familiar a la ICANNATLARGE.???
> Previews of coming attractions perhaps?  I sure hope not.
>
> >
> >
> > icannatlarge.org with over 1,000 direct members has more participants
> > than pretty much all the other constituencies combined and would be
> > much harder to find an excuse not to recognise.
>
>   It is not longer ICANNATLARGE.ORG Dave.  We officially and
> actually now don't have a DN thanks to Jefsey's inability fro some
> reason to transfer the DN ICANNATLARGE.ORG to someone
> that could or would handle this and the problem with the misconfigured
> Name servers.  So we have taken a big step backwards instead of
> forwards.
>
> >
> >
> > DPF
> > --
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