RE: [atlarge-discuss] méthodes de travail normales,

[<bruce@barelyadequate.info>]

Well reasoned, Mauro.  I see we agree on a great many things!

Bruce Young
Portland, Oregon
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| -----Original Message-----
| From: A/S Mauro D. Ríos [mailto:mdrios@adinet.com.uy]
| Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:32 PM
| To: At Large Discuss
| Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] méthodes de travail normales,
|
|
| Dear all,
|
| I agree with most of the argued ideas.
|
| 1) it is important that the elected Panel represents the
| members. That is to
| say that an elect members for 1 vote, he cannot say that it
| is representing
| rightfully to a group of members.
|
| Of course the quantity of votes that can be demanded to be elect or
| ratified, should be in agreement with the total of voters.
| This should be
| this way for that there is not obligation of voting, this is
| something that
| I don't approve in a Democracy, but I respect the different
| voting models.
|
| The vote should be obligatory, if I don't like any candidate
| I will vote in
| blank, but who will be chosen, they should have the certainty
| of how many
| people they approve them, how many not and to how many people
| the elections
| and the candidates don't interest them. Solely then a
| candidate can say that
| it was chosen with absolute genuineness.
|
| It is an extensive topic to discuss, but I am convinced that,
| for example,
| in a country where the vote is not obligatory, would give me
| shame to say
| that I am the President of DuckLand if they only voted 20% of
| people and I
| received the fifth part of that voting.
|
| "But you cannot be more realistic than the reality." To
| attempt that in
| @Large the vote is obligatory, it can take some time more.
|
| 2) this election was summoned to choose a Panel for 1 year. I
| don't know how
| you reached this conclusion. But I share that it is a wise
| time and it will
| allow to the Panel to make many things (if one works well).
|
| 3 months it is a very short time. If the Panel is limited at
| time so short,
| the Panel will be submerged in an ocean of papers, it will be
| submerged
| writing papers and documents and it will lose the action
| capacity to extract
| from the clothier to @Large and to give to know the organization. In
| consequence the organization, perhaps, can lose its action
| capacity. My fear
| is that for 3 months @Large passes to the shades, become an
| organization
| that she only works toward inside.
|
| Of course that the work of a member of the Panel can be put
| to consideration
| of the members and these will solve if they suspend its
| function in the
| Panel or they approve it. We will define how it can put on to
| consideration
| and revision the work of a panelist (or of any other members
| that he works
| in commissions, work groups, etc.).
|
| In special cases, the members will be able to summon to
| premature elections,
| that is one of the fundamental guarantees in a Democracy and with a
| representative system.
|
| The Panel should always be subordinated to the command of the
| members, the
| members should always have the veto capacity, but we cannot
| put a corset to
| the Panel that causes a total freezing.
|
| We should design and to implement a very agile mechanism to
| consult to the
| members. This, of the hand of an identification system and
| more precise
| registration of members, will allow quick votings among all us.
|
| You think (only for example):
| - To write the statutes (to discuss in the Panel, to discuss among the
| members, to put them to voting)
| - To write the membership procedures and voting (to discuss
| in the Panel, to
| discuss among the members, to put them to voting).
| - To create the division of powers (according to approved
| statutes), to vote
| the composition of each power.
| - (they continue adding)
|
| Three months?, don't I believe that they are enough. And they
| are even many
| points to add.
|
| On the other hand, if to the new Panel only wants it to him
| for these tasks,
| it is not necessary to choose a Panel, it will be enough with
| choosing a
| special commission of writing and edition.
|
|
| 3) I agree totally with which the Panel should notice very urgent
| objectives: Statutes, election procedures, consultation
| mechanisms with the
| members, division of powers, creation of work groups, to
| establish contacts
| with other organizations. And something that should not
| forget is been that
| @Large should elaborate proposals or answers to present in
| the meetings that
| will be carried out until year end.
|
| All the tasks that contribute to establish the roots of
| @Large should be
| high-priority.
|
| 4) the division of powers is a topic that it interests me a
| lot. It is a
| guarantee of the Democracy. It allows to distribute the
| functions and to
| distribute the power of decision. Even, it can be thought in that the
| elections for the different powers are summoned in different
| moments, this
| would establish more dependability to the work of the Panel
| and it will
| tranquilize all us as members.
|
| 5) I agree also that the agenda of the Panel it is
| established by a voting
| among all the members. Different agendas intends and the
| election is made of
| among the agendas presented. Simply.
|
|
| greetings
| Mauro. -
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